That's my motto and permaculture seems to fit that concept, too - once it's installed anyway. There's a lot of planning that goes into a good, permanent layout and without proper training, I'm hesitant to start much off the paper. I've reached out to a few teachers but none are in the immediate area - strangely enough. But I've got the land and the desire just need some help and guidance and would love to host a pdc class here for a teacher. I farm full time so I can't take off 12 weeks' worth of Saturdays. Maybe I will be able to pick up the next on line class in 2014 Geoff Lawton is going to offer. Unless there's a teacher who wants to put a class together and use my farm as a project.... pm me if you're interested. Surely we can come up with a minimum number of students to make a class worthwhile - even if it's just one week's lesson - the farm and ranch session perhaps....? Hope to learn a lot by watching others' posts, too. I'm limited on manpower/equipment, but will do what I can with a potato spade and my little John Deere. LOL Greetings to you all, nice to be here!