I was just thinking about something that happened a while back and thought it might be a "good story". Sometimes we all need a pickme up when there is so much bad news about. Anyway I will set the scene, its the corporate/yuppy world of Canberra and.... It is funny how people perceive what "clean" is in the household. I had a mothers group over for morning tea early last year (The only one I think I bothered to host in 3 years as the ladies weren't really "my type"), and most of them are sterotypic former public servant types, very much caught up in the "building empires by material aquistition" lifestyles. These women often hire cleaners that come in with their 6 different bottles of commercial cleaners to do floors, windows, bathrooms, kitchens etc, and one mum commented that day how she doesn't feel like the house is clean unless she can smell a slight disinfectant smell after wiping surfaces down. She then went on to say how lovely my house was and that I obviously had a cleaner in too. When I told her that all I used was hot water, vinegar and a bit of bicarb, she almost had a heart attack! I did admit that I washup in almost boiling water with a little green earth dishwashing liquid, and rinse with the same (as it air dries the plates quicker) , and she couldn't believe it, so I opened all my cupboards in kitchen bathroom and laundry to show her I did not have a single bottle of commercial cleaner. AND then something wonderful happened, suddenly all the women started to ask me questions about how I do all the cleaning like that, and hold down a full time job and manage to do the garden and doing preserves etc etc, and the rest of the afternoon was spent getting out all my "natural" books and arranging times to help people in looking at their gardens etc. They had all noticed how my 3year old was the only one in the group who wasn't always sick, or on antibiotics at sometime or other, or had any skin allergies/asthma probelsm etc! In fact the nly antibiotics my daughter has EVER had in 3 years was a propholatic we all had to have when my husband got whooping cough! (Docstor couldn't believe none of us had had antibiotics since my daughter had be born!) Best part of the story, is that a couple of them have now COMPLETELY changed the way they do things. One woman didn't tell her hubby for 6 months (as he was quite anal about cleaning regimes) , had fired the cleaner, just did things the "natural way" and donated the cleaners salary to a charity. She told him 6 months later and as he hadn't noticed any change he couldn't dispute her changes in doing things, and best of all, in that 6 months, for the first time since she had had her little girl (now 3) her little girl didn't have chronic asthma or skin conditions! Its hard for people to get away from what the advertising companies convince them of, and the association with the senses such as smells of what "clean" means. These guys have the study of human behaviour down to a fine art, and often I think that green groups could make quicker progress in education if they got the top advertsing agents in!!