Very Edible Gardens PTY LTD

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  1. Nathan Edwards

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    Hey all, my post count is down coz for the last year and a half I have been buried beginning a new business with partners Adam Grubb, Dan Palmer, Paul Fogarty and myself - Nathan Edwards. Our website is www.veryediblegardens.com.au and we are giving this old permaculture thing another red-hot ripper go. After all of us individually running our separate permaculture design consultancies we decided some time ago that we needed to start simple with the general public and made vegie gardens the key focus. The good news is people are starting to get it and we are in fact getting some traction this time. So wish us luck in being a part of making this country a great place to eat home grown food. I for one am over paying my bills by doing menial work for other people who invariably have less consideration for the ecological impacts of there business activities.
     
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    Re: Very Edible Gardens PTY LTD

    congradulations on your venture.

    I did notice on your web site reference to growing legumes as companions. most value will be gained after they are ploughed back in. as juveniles they will compete for nitrogen.

    LM
     
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    Re: Very Edible Gardens PTY LTD

    actually it is better to cut he legumes at the stage of flowering when the root nodules are at the most optimum size, the residuals can the be used as mulch
     
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    what are your creditionals in this field Buff. ???

    you seem to miss the point!!!!!!!!!!!

    Leo
     
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    Re: Very Edible Gardens PTY LTD

    Wow, very impressive website. Tons of info, but not too cluttered. Nice design.

    My little contribution (along with best wishes!):

    On https://www.veryediblegardens.com/servic ... ure-design at the bottom, you link to an empty contact page...
    https://www.veryediblegardens.com/component/contact/1

    Oh, and one more thing. On your composting worms page:
    https://www.veryediblegardens.com/produc ... egory_id=9

    "Worms like most fruit and vegetable scraps but as they do not have teeth the scraps should be cut into small pieces."

    Totally untrue :) Well, correct, they don't have teeth, but the normal rotting process completely softens the food up for the worms. Anybody reading the above advice would probably not go for worms because of all that extra work.

    Best wishes!
     
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    I've been informed - reasonably reliably- gbell, that worms eat bacteria that break down the food. Have you heard this or has anyone?
     
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    Great looking site guys - the best of luck for a bright future.
    intent-observation-intuition
     
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    Re: Very Edible Gardens PTY LTD

    Although I dont care for Buff too much as a person,I am willing to defend him as a permacultralist.I have met many but few have his knowledge ,stand aside grasshopper he is correct on the nitrogen.Plowing in only seeks to disturb the soil food web.
    Best wishes
    Fernando
    https://www.agroforestry.net/pubs/NFTs.html
     
  9. Fernando Pessoa

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    yes purple you are completely correct.I might also surprise you by saying that the leechate or worm juice most collect will not do you much good.You need to be using casts in water to benifit benificials in you soil food web.
    www.wormtec.com.au I believe has the goods on all things relating to the worm ,dam fine compost teas and goodies as well.
    Best wishes Fernando
     
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    Thanks for the "heads up" Fernando on the topic of worms eating bacteria. We use our worm wee on the compost. The extra breakdown turns it into good stuff. I guess we shouldn't high jack this topic too much.

    Well done guys on a worthwhile venture in applied permaculture. I did it some years ago with some success but the area was not ready for it then. It is important that we have working models out there for people to use as guides. What you are doing will develop those models.
    intent-observation-intuition
     
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    Re: Very Edible Gardens PTY LTD

    Don't feel you need to stop - some of us are happy to watch the dialog without contributing!

    Says she who has been diligently puree-ing her worm food and is still getting used to the idea that they'll eat it just the same....
     
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    I thinks that you should continue to be a good mother to your bacteria,they appreciate fast de composition,it stops the food rotting.If its smaller it breaking down faster as you have created more surface area most meats and vegtables once pureed are far more bacterial and active ask any hamburger chef....
    best wishes
    Fernando
     
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    The stuff rots, and rots from bacterial and fungal action. Not sure what you're on about Fernando.

    In a typical household worm bin, you don't really care how fast things rot. They do rot, and the worms are there to turn that into compost. Why spend time and electricity doing something bizarre and unnecessary like puréeing your kitchen scraps? Let Nature do the work... I've been successfully vermicomposting for 17 years. Trust me, the bacteria and fungi will turn your scraps into purée all by themselves :)
     
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    Rotting is different to bacterial breakdown,when you expose anythings surface area you allow it to become more bacterial.Slow rotting is a waste a god dam crying shame.Take a steak for example now that is far less bacterial after 4 hours in the sun than the same steak made into a hamburger.Blitzing the worm food is a must anything else is just pointless.Nothing worse than seeing a bin full of fungal food because the owner is to lazy to blitz it.Fungi is not bacteria.People who treat there worms in such a manner should be reported to the rspcw and have their worms taken away from them. :twisted: :butthead: :axe: :finga: Heathens
     
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    Oh and just because you are on a well beaten path dosn't make it the right one.I have been living along time and I still aint got it right live and learn .............
     
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    What does increasing the bacteria by 'blitzing' gain you?
     
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    More bacteria =more food for worms =more growth=more return for worm weight and casts in a faster time frame!
     
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    Ain't going to make a bit of difference on a household scale.
     
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    Obtain a yield,maximising yield is most important.Micro is macro if you increase the worms you can make a few bucks or just return the surplus.Try it as an experiment one with blitz food one with whole food.If I am wrong and there is no noticeable increase in the weight of worms that you have in each control,and no noticable increase in the rate of food you can put into the system after 6 months, I will send you a five dollar scratchie.
    best wishes Fernando
     
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    5 months of blitzing food scraps for a $5 ticket! No thanks :)

    Of course, learning something new is invaluable, but there's no logic in your claim, so I'm too doubtful to even bother trying it.

    My worms are huge and fat because there's tonnes of soft food for them to eat - food soft from rotting. Think of it as an assembly line, with food scraps going in the front, and bacteria and fungi softened food at the end of the line. The worms eat from the end of the line. Your blitzing technique shortens the assembly line, but doesn't increase the speed of the conveyer belt - same amount of food goes in, same amount gets turned into compost.... just a shorter line.

    While we're quoting permaculture axioms, how about "work with nature" and "use appropriate technology appropriately" :)
     

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