using particular metals to increase soil fertility/energy flows

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  1. electrifier

    electrifier Junior Member

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    hey there, i've been doing some research and i thought it might be of some interest.

    it's to do with the kind of metal you use for garden digging implements.

    iron is highly magnetic with low electrical conductivity.
    this causes it to cut and disturb magnetic lines of force in the soil which are beneficial to soil organisms and other processes which probably still go unrecognised.
    whereas copper, brass, bronze (and gold, silver, platinum etc) have low magnetism and high electrical conductivity.
    these metals will increase the magnetic field through the process of magnetic induction.

    you can liken it to
    1. iron cutting through the soil would be similar to passing a magnet in front of your tv screen.
    2. copper cutting through the soil would be similar to the action of the copper coil in an electrical alternator.
    1 is detrimental, 2 actually generates electricity.

    this technique of using copper digging implements has already been researched on a small scale with very good results. and i found a website in the U.K selling some awesome tools. https://www.implementations.co.*uk

    Victor Schauberger can take credit for these ideas. it's not me.
    I've just been reading and thinking about alot of his idea's
    this also relates to ideas in electroculture etc.
    there's alot more to it, but i'm trying to keep it simple for people who aren't electrical engineers.

    definately worth looking into. it shouldn't actually cost too much to get existing tools electroplated with copper.

    I've even found studies stating that soil magnetism can be directly related to levels of pollution.
     
  2. SueUSA

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    Check out Dr. Philip S. Callahan's work, it may give you info and food for thought.

    Sue
     
  3. SueUSA

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    Check out Dr. Philip S. Callahan's work, it may give you info and food for thought.

    Sue
     
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    You could probably test this theory. I mean, that is, if temporarily disturbing the magnetic fields is going to make any difference to the productivity/fertility of your garden.

    All you need do is have two patches side by side and in one use iron tools and in another use the more expensive gold, bronze whatever types of tools. All other things being equal, after six months or so, see what difference there is in the growth of the plants in each bed.
     
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    Do you think that stainless steel tools may be an answer? They are not suseptable to magnetism and would be durable. I know some are available and though a bit pricy, not unafordable.

    I will have to look at getting my Ho Mi copper plated I reckon.
     
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    You could just not use tools.Just a suggestion.
     
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    the idea is that the use of copper increases soil magnetism, therefore fertility.
    application of rock dust (granite, basalt etc) apparently also increases "paramagnetism"

    i've come across someone saying to add a layer of rocks into the hole before planting trees to increase magnetism.

    the same guy was also recommending using seawater to get rid of peach leaf curl and to increase brix levels of fruit and vegetables. he was using 20% solution diluted with water. obviously you'd want to exercise caution here. most trees seem do do fine near the ocean, maybe just be careful of more sensitive ones.

    you can also try an electroculture technique which involves placing a copper rod and a zinc rod at each side of the garden east/west direction and join the two with a piece of wire. this creates a low voltage battery and has been said to greatly improve yields.

    i'm not sure if all stainless steel is created equal, the fork i just tested was magnetic. you'd want to test with a magnet first. and obviously the electrical conductivity is what we are looking for so test the resistance. this is why copper is the best material for the price. very good conductor.
     
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    Copper plating doesn't eliminate the magnetic properties of the iron does it? Any electric field will still induce a magnetic field in the iron through the copper, wont it?
     
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    i'm not too sure Geoff, in theory a copper audio cable is screened to stop electromagnetic interference so i'm only assuming it would work.
    i'm an electrician and i'm still finding it all a little confusing.
    what i do know is that this stuff is making sense to me, an definately is worth trying out.
    the chinese have worked alot with these feilds in the past and have related them to the whole principle of feng shui.
     
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    No objections to the general idea myself, I read a lot of Viktor Schauberger's work a few years back, and he has a lot to offer us.

    Electric and magnetic fields operate at a distance, and can readily pass through things to induce magnetic fields in the iron within. I guess theoretically you could be eliminating the effects of electrically induced magnetic fields because the copper coating is grounded so it's creating a faraday cage around the iron core, but I wonder whether the direct contact between copper and iron wouldn't be inducing a new range of electrical currents through the iron as it drew the current away. Any magnetic fields would be able to induce further magnetic effects through copper without hindrance, so copper plating might not be ideal, but may still be better than nothing at all.

    Regardless of that, I've read a number of things over the years that have indicated copper and bronze tools to be superior for working living soil to iron ones, and it was great to read a reminder of that, hadn't considered it in a long time, might have to find some bronze or copper and make some tools.
     
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    i read that the tools victor schauberger was using were copper plated, so i'm not entirely sure of the exact physics. magnetism will definately pass through the copper plating. i'm thinking that i don't have the theory correct in how i originally explained it.
    there was something mentioned that i read saying iron particles in the soil will reduce water retention, whereas copper will improve it.
    i'm going to find some books on this because all the info on the net seems to be compromised.

    there was a quote that i read
    "Lord Rees has proposed that humanity does not possess the level of understanding nor spiritual maturity to handle responsibly and safely the subtle new energies we have unleashed. Perhaps we are not quite ready for some of Viktor Schauberger’s insights. "

    i thought that maybe if humanity was unleashed from the burden of fossil fuels maybe our consciousness would evolve too.
    being products of our environment, i'm sure these implosion devices would liberate us
     
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    I am not sure if you can produce quality garden tools with copper alone, as copper is not very hard. I think they are all copper plated. Either way, we're actually running out of copper and using it for garden tools just seems insane to me. I have no idea about mining but aren't copper mines environmental disasters?
     
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    “In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.”
     
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    We're running out of everything.

    Once the town water and the electricity goes off there'll be plenty of spare copper around and gardening tools might be one of the only useful uses left. I already collect every bit of copper from appliances that would otherwise just be buried, eventually I'll have enough to copper plate the tools and see what effect it has :)
     
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    my observation of gardeners which have too many "theories".. what ever it is.. is that is can lead to inaction and failure.
    I won't be giving up my steel shovel, and steel fork.
     
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    :D My observation is that it's just takes a few extra bugs, or not enough rain, or too much heat. Don't need any theories for failure.
     
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    That's actually a very good idea, Geoff. If you have no electricals to throw out you could go to the council cleanup and screen for copper. The advantage is that the price of copper is relatively high (and it will be higher even without electricity) and you don't need that much storage space.
     

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