Up to 20 million tons of tsunami debris headed for U.S. shores

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  1. Pakanohida

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    Up to 20 million tons of tsunami debris headed for U.S. shores


    I think I am about to be Nuked. =(
     
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    We've all been nuked, atmospheric radiation was measured in Florida and around the world to Europe. Question is how much. PNW got hit pretty hard, rain is not friend in this case. Overall levels of external radiation exposure are going to be minimal, it is the internal emitters you want to avoid at all costs. The #1 danger is mushrooms, as they will bioaccumulate at 10,000X background. Dairy and beef are problematic too.

    Eat pectin and sodium alginate, if you can find it. The white pith of citrus fruits is one of the best medicines here, as it is loaded with pectin, which chelates radioactive cesium.
     
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    You bring up some amazingly good points. Right now, all over this area shrooms are popping up as are tons of "Mushroom Brokers". The cattle being "finished off" in the valley below has been getting lots of rain, as has the salmon coming up river with the Black Stripers and Sturgeon.

    I wonder for the safety of mine, and the US / world food supply.
     
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    Maybe it is payback for giving the planet this boil
    https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...at-stretches-from-hawaii-to-japan-778016.html
    I wonder if any of that will come home?

    Debris from a previous tsunami/storm
    Divers find 13th century wreck from Kublai Khan's Mongol invasion fleet that was destroyed by 'divine' typhoon
    Japanese legend claims two 'divine winds', known as The Kamikaze, destroyed Mongol invasion fleets
    Hundreds of vessels were destroyed by two separate typhoons off the coast of Japan


    https://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/interesting-documentary/khubilai-khan.html
    https://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-25...gy-shipwreck_1_fleet-ship-invasion?_s=PM:ASIA
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...stroyed-divine-typhoon.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
     
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    In Japan at the moment. The trucks are starting to arrive in Tokyo, carrying contaminated debris from the north. They are going to incinerate this stuff.

    I can think of anything dumber than to take a large concentration of radioactive debris, and bring them from a relatively unpopulated agricultural and mountain region and bringing them to the most populous city in the world (50 million people in greater Tokyo area) and burning it. This is the exact opposite of what common sense would dictate, which seems to happen more often than not with the j-gov.

    Unbelievable.
     
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    Where are the environmental laws to stop this crap?
     
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    Where is the environmental law to stop the pollution that occurred when a natural disaster happened? I am very confused, please elaborate. Or do you mean the law for all the people who have littered plastics world wide so they are in the NW Gyre contaminating our food supply at the microscopic source... ..plankton life.
     
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    lets see. I'm curious. A number of permies had recently told me to concentrate on what I have control over, namely the back yard. But when is it enough to get people to become actively involved in stoping these corporations and governments whom let them get away with everything? How can I eat what I grow when the ground is being poluted. How can I collect the water off the roof and drink it when my filters can't remove the radioativity which is steadly increasing in the rainwater?
     
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    In this case i was referring to environmental laws that regulate moving radioactive material and the burning of it in populated areas. I wasn't specific sorry.
     
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    Thing is, if you work for a corporation, you are complicit. You need to hold the people around you who work for a corporation to account. You probably need to dump them as friends, shun them. Corporations can't continue to exist without the people inside them.

    We've all seen these horror type sic-fi scenarios where we make this artificial intelligence that takes over the world and controls us. Well, we have already done it really, by creating The Corporation - these monstrous entities with no shred of human ethics and morals. We really need to throw the switch on these things as they are consuming the world. This is why a nuclear power plant melted down in a tsunami and why unthinkable things like burning nuclear waste in populous area are happening.

    Corporations are horrors, with no ending. I say if you work for a corporation, you are not a permaculturist.
     
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    I agree to a certain extent Grahame. I work in Government so not sure if that is corporate or not. I have had consultations with those in private corporations about environmental policy. There are some that have decided to work within corporations to try and influence things to help the environment.
    Sort of like an insider that tries to do the right thing. Rare but they do exist.

    Working in government is like trying to get win every now and then. I can influence policy to a certain extent, so you do what you can. Sometimes you get through sometimes not. I figure working from outside in orgs such as WWF and the EDO may be good but I have inside information that I can try and influence.
     
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    I disagree Graham. Those are the friends you take particular interest in. You don't push it but let the Permie way evolve in them thru you. Once they see the light then they can be more aware at work. They could be the person who exposes all the inner corruption. These are the best recruits.
     
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    Come on Grahame, you know that's nonsense. You know (some) people are waking up to what's really going on but getting out of the system isn't easy or fast. It all depends on your circumstances.

    We're all complicit. Some are just a little closer to the core. And some will defend this system til the death. Computers and the internet are incredible inventions brought to us by corps. I see them as powerful tools to spread the information that will bring us back to nature and to each other as enlightened people armed with the knowledge to rebuild our communities, cultures and environment.

    Corps are in the same box as fossil fuels, use them to create new, regenerative systems. Use them to create a Permaculture.
     
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    Well, that doesn't make sense to me either. This nuked material is what was washed into the ocean by the tsunami and became radioactive post the disaster, this is no one companies, corporation, or countries fault; this is a problem the world needs to address because like so much other stuff it effects us all.
     
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    preach pak preach. (still luv ya Graham)
     
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    Hi Pakanohida

    yukkuri wrote:

    "In Japan at the moment. The trucks are starting to arrive in Tokyo, carrying contaminated debris from the north. They are going to incinerate this stuff.

    I can think of anything dumber than to take a large concentration of radioactive debris, and bring them from a relatively unpopulated agricultural and mountain region and bringing them to the most populous city in the world (50 million people in greater Tokyo area) and burning it. This is the exact opposite of what common sense would dictate, which seems to happen more often than not with the j-gov.

    Unbelievable. "

    This is the post I was referring to when I asked where the environmental laws were.
     
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    Yeah, I was stirring the pot, but only just a little. As an over simplification I stand by what I said.

    When I refer to a corporation I mean - A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members. There are many different forms of corporations, most of which are used to conduct business.

    In other words the people who make the decisions cannot be held responsible for anything. People who work for them are 'just doing their job', 'just following orders', Man there have been some atrocities visited upon the planet and peoples under that excuse'.

    Think about that. Who is responsible for Fukushima?

    And let's not kid ourselves into thinking that the supposed benefits Corps. bring us in anyway begin to offset the damage they wreck.

    This type of business model is exactly the opposite of what permaculture stands for. For me at least. Permaculture is at war with Corporations. Sure subterfuge can be effective, but how many of those on the inside are really committed to the resistance? How many are actively attempting to bring them down? Or are they simply deluding themselves into thinking that high ideals can lead to real change? This is a War people and it is going to take sacrifice!

    We can still have businesses or something similar. Not For Profit, Co-operatives etc., but there is no place for Corporation in the Permaculture world. Surely?

    Convince me otherwise
     
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    Tough talk, Grahame, I like it!

    It is the issue of liability, or lack thereof. Fukushima is case in point. Looks like TEPCO is going to be spun off as mostly renewable energy, hydro, geothermal, wind & solar. The liability of 40+ decrepit nuclear reactors, and the cleanup & resettlement costs will go to j-gov (aka taxpayers) and the environmental devastation will be paid for by everyone in the biosphere. Meanwhile, TEPCO has returned to profitability after causing the worst manmade disaster through top-to-bottom criminal negligence. Sweet deal for the shareholders!

    I believe co-operatives are the way forward.

    I remember something I heard Darren Doherty say in a video. The current business model is a going-out-of-business sale - corps are liquidating the biosphere for a quick buck.
     

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