United Nations to Control Internet

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  1. Roy

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    One hundred and ninety three countries are about to meet at the International Telecommunications Union in Dubai to discuss whether the United Nations should have greater control over the internet. The United States and Europe claim to be opposed to it. Most of the money that funds the UN, however, comes from the United States and Europe. Have you heard about this in your media? There is almost a complete media blackout here in the U.S. Did any of you ever elect anyone in the United Nations? Me neither, so why should they have the power to control the internet, or anything else in our countries? UN officials actually came to the U.S. in this past election to oversee and monitor our voting process. We already have a system to do that. What business is it of theirs?

    https://www.c-span.org/Events/Dubai-Conference-Could-Change-How-Internet-Operates/10737431086/

    https://techcrunch.com/2012/11/30/i...et-regulation-ahead-of-key-itu-dubai-meeting/
     
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    Hax0rs of the world won't let it happen, nor will the US.
     
  4. Unmutual

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    As far as I can gather, nothing would really change anyway. Countries that want to block content can still do so and countries that want total "freedom" can likewise still allow it. Honestly though, there needs to be some form of regulation on the internet, even if it's just to stop people ripping off other people. Censorship, IMO, needs to be left to the family and there should be a wealth of information on how to freely block content at home.

    Like most things in the US government, our UN ambassador was probably appointed by someone who was voted in. You don't elect every single government official.

    As far as the UN overseeing the USA's voting last election...first I laughed, then I figured that somebody needs to do it, because the US isn't doing a good enough job of it since there are way too many lawsuits, etc. after just about any election here. I've always found the hypocrisy of the US to be astounding since it likes to meddle in other country's business all the time. If you don't like people messing with your government, then stop messing with other people's government. If I were a sovereign nation, I would have long ago had a (singular)nuke just so I can tell all the countries that are crying about that I'll get rid of all of my nukes once they get rid of all of theirs.
     
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    You guys don't recognize the danger that the United Nations poses. Their agenda is the exact opposite of what they portray, much like the IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, and all other central banks around the world. The United Nations is like the Fabian Socialist crest, a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you read and/or watch what Katherine Albrecht, Alex Jones, G. Edward Griffin, Aaron Russo, Glenn Beck, and many others reveal about the true agenda of a global government, there will be no lingering doubts in your mind. Take a look at this.

    https://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=fabianwindow&refpage=issues
     
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    One of the things I love about permaculture is it takes you out of so many unnecessary loops created by civilization. Aaah, smell that? That's real freedom!
     
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    g'day roy,

    yes and much more, but it could be lost in among the mythology worshipers, the holier than thowers who think they will be immune, very boxed in comfort zone thinking, all pops up in the media probably while others are getting a cup of char, not bio-char(coal).

    anyhow bottom line the poorer people who wanted a simple life will pay the price for those who made and demanded better stuff, those who manipulated profit.

    len
     
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    Actually, Roy, I have seen what those fear-mongers have been saying for over six years. And guess what? I think they are full of it.

    Do banks and financial groups (including shadow organizations which move trillions) have too much power and control? Yes. Do they run a NWO and have an agenda to kill off 95% of humanity and enslave the rest? No.

    Glenn Beck? Alex Jones?

    Do you have any evidence of chemtrails besides the disgusting allegations of these conspiracy-peddling fear mongers and proto-fascists? But I guess the hundreds of thousands- if not millions- of people involved in the cover up are NWO operatives who have no qualms about literally poisoning the planet. Same thing with water treatment facilities and the use of chlorine and fluoride as an added measure for dumbing down the population. Millions of people. But they all must be either a) part of it or b) too stupid to realize what they are doing. You know, because the NWO controls all information to maintain a population of willing sheeple who will dig their own graves.

    Nothing like a professionally packaged conspiracy theory to make sense of complicated and confusing world. It all makes sense. Bankers run the world and soon we will all live under the iron boot of the NWO and socialism.

    Or not.

    I'm afraid the world isn't that simple. I'm not afraid to say that this crew of conspiracy theorists and proto-fascists will milk this thing until it runs dry. Which it probably won't because everything can be made to fit under their "the commies are coming for your babies, guns, and Jesus" fantasy.

    If you want to accuse millions of people who engaging in a genocidal plot to take over the planet and exterminate the population, you'll have to do better than this. And you'll have to do much better than this to expect that pushing these disgusting allegations will be allowed to go unanswered by someone the likes of Glenn Beck would like to see disenfranchised at best. Thats right- I'm a social democrat and an environmentalist. The enemy according to the ilk mentioned in your post.

    The man who shot two police officers on his way to murder workers at the liberal Tides foundation two years ago most probably heard of the organization from Beck's mouth. He seemed to be the only one talking about it.

    I also wasn't surprised to find writings from Beck's fellow travelers (pun intended) at the home of the man who killed two Unitartian church members and injured six others when he attacked their congregation.

    And how about the man in Pennsylvania who murdered a police officer because he feared the government was coming for his guns?

    And who is pushing this shit? The people you mention.

    Just disgusting. Anyone who wants to Google about Glenn Beck and Alex Jones would do well to see the trail of bodies consumers of their information have left behind.

    But I guess since I live in a socialist/communist/atheist hell hole where I have no rights I've already been brainwashed by the NWO and are too far gone to see the light.
     
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    @Finchj: Well said!
     
  10. Roy

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    I wish you were correct, Finchj. W. Cleon Skousen points out in his book, The Five Thousand Year Leap, that describing people and parties as "left" and "right" is inaccurate. These terms refer to the manner in which various parties are seated in the parliaments of Europe. Radical revolutionaries are on the far left and military dictatorships on the far right. Quote, "Measuring people and issues in terms of political parties has turned out to be philosophically fallacious if not totally misleading. This is because the platforms or positions of political parties are often superficial and structured on shifting sand. The platform of a political party of one generation can hardly be recognized by the next. Furthermore, Communism and Fascism turned out to be different names for approximately the same thing - the police state. They are not opposite extremes but, for all practical purposes, are virtually identical." The founders of the United States measured political systems "...in terms of the amount of coercive power or systematic control which a particular system of government exercises over its people. In other words, the yardstick is not political parties, but political power." They considered anarchy to be one extreme, where there is no government, no law, and no systematic control. Tyranny was the other extreme, where there is too much control, too much political oppression, and too much government. They wanted to form a government with its powers fixed in the balanced center, and that's exactly what they accomplished. Over the past 100 years, however, it has been chipped away piece by piece, and in the past 8 years, giant piece by giant piece.

    If you listen to the supposed solutions that are being proposed in the media for your nation's problems, or the world's problems, they always amount to greater government control, whether it's your national government or an international body like the UN. And that's leading toward tyranny, my friend.
     
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    Six corporations control the majority of the media in the USA, i.e., these six control the content of what is read in periodicals, on TV and radio, in movies.

    It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that they will also want to control the "messages" contained in the internet. Their agenda is clear, their methods insidious.

    Question is whether they can actually "control" something as sprawling, morphing, and hugely complex as the internet.
     
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    Doubt it.

    There is a shifting of consciousness on this planet going on, and the Internet is, IMO, a catalyst due to the sheer amount of information being shared with people. The masses won't stand for it since they are all starting to peek behind the curtain and see the man working the great Oz.
     
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    You don't have to control the entire internet, you just have to control how individuals view the internet via the web browser. Controlling the browser wouldn't control video and audio chat however, but then again they may not need to since most of that only reaches a small audience anyway and you could easily slow(not stop) the dissemination of audio/video content by reducing the number of connections allowed to servers or put a bandwidth cap on servers along with limiting who can own a server through ISPs. It's not impossible, but the Arab Spring may have been slowed considerately or the momentum stopped altogether if social media would have been blocked content(which is why the "internet off switch" was discussed around that time, though it may have been talked about by the media and academics more than governments).

    One thing that is tough to stop is word of mouth. Instead of blogging about it, talk to your neighbors about it instead. Having been in the New Orleans area during the immediate aftermath of hurricane Katrina, I can tell you first hand that the media is unreliable during times of crisis and can do more to spread panic via rumors than to inform the public about what they need to know. At least social media has a rating system for messages, so you can use its rating as a means of assessing the veracity of the information.
     
  15. Roy

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    Unmutual, you seem to think that the Arab Spring was a true grassroots movement. Glenn Beck has some interesting info about the Arab Spring.

    https://www.theblaze.com/stories/ny-times-tumult-of-arab-spring-prompts-worries-in-washington/

    I agree that we all need to spread this by word of mouth, but that isn't so easy. Many people just do not listen, even when you can back up everything you say. Their perception is so far from reality that anything approaching the truth seems too unbelievable, even laughable. They make time for lots of other unimportant things in their lives, but can't find the time to research these issues because if this New World Order turns out not to be true, God forbid, they might end up wasting some of their precious time. Someone I attempted to awaken basically gave me that explanation.
     
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    I didn't read anything in that article that discussed the beginnings of the Arab Spring. It was about the prognosticated fallout. Some of these people should go back to entrails, they might be better at it.

    I'm fairly capable of coming to my own conclusions if given pertinent information. I don't need someone else to tell me what to think. Unfortunately, good information is rarely available for social events(and most other "news" stories) and that's why there is so much deception(half truths/misrepresentation/flat out lies, call it what you will). I also try not to react without information(sometimes it can be a challenge), which is the opposite of most media. Fear mongering is one of the best tools used by media, politics, religion and even parents. It's a tool that should be left in the field to rust. Even the slightest hint of fear mongering turns my stomach because that person is trying to control me and probably not for a very good reason either, which usually tends to make me ignore what they have to say. Just in case you're missing my point, I have no use for fear mongering, period.

    Reality, like normality, is a slippery thing to grasp. What is considered real and normal can change upon more studying(perception). Sometimes reality isn't discovered until hundreds of years later, just like truths. I also find that believing in something "just in case" is a pointless enterprise. If we spent time on preparing for every single disaster that can happen, we'd do nothing else. I live in Louisiana, so preparing during the hurricane season makes sense because chances are very good that we'll get at least one storm per year. Preparing for an earthquake(assuming that the preparations are any different) is unnecessary even though there is a slim chance we can get one. Likewise, preparing for a snow storm is also unnecessary, though there is always the slightest possibility of that happening. Then there's preparing for a terrorist attack(I did like the one about anthrax and duct taping your windows..priceless), all out thermonuclear war, invasion from Russia(no..China, no..Mexico, no...Arabs...), pestilence, plague, famine. However, disease, pestilence and famine are 3 historically reoccurring blights on humanity. While most of that can be countermanded with good sanitation practices, famine can not. So out of all of these possible scenarios, famine and flood are about my two best bets currently. Those are two things that I can personally take responsibility to prepare for without resorting to bomb shelters(they'd get flooded down here) or collecting a small arsenal and munitions dump. Either way, a resilient source of food will come in the most handy, and that brings us back to....PERMACULTURE! Yay! What did Geoff Lawton say? All the world's problems can be solved in a garden. Smart man!
     
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    Roy, the issue with theories is that you can always prove yourself to be right/wrong and consequently I vote two thumbs up for Unmutual's approach to life as risk management.

    For me, I ask the question "Are people structured and smart enough to undertake a project over tens or hundreds of years", besides 'religion' (which I view as just a long running business handed down Father to Son (joke intended)) I have to answer 'no' to all conspiracies. After all, ignorance is a fundamental human condition.

    Whereas managing risk in my life I do see a higher likelihood of serious financial contraction, housing bubble implosion (in Australia), rise of energy costs, fossil fuel depletion etc. So for me PM is a way to help manage or mitigate these risks, as Unmutual has pointed out.

    Risk management 101 - PRACT, you can only Prevent, Reduce, Accept, create Contingencies or Transfer a risk after you critically review its potential likelihood and impact.

    Don't waste your time analysing things that, may not happen, will not affect you or you can not influence if they do happen. It will save you a lot of wasted time and anxiety :)
     
  18. Roy

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    Glenn Beck spoke about the Arab Spring on his TV show, which I used to watch. Take a look!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwoDTbVDJY0

    I have done plenty of reading on what I've written here. These aren't theories or what ifs, either. There is abundant evidence to be found, but not for those who ignore or disregard all conspiracies. Ignorance is bliss, until the day that it isn't. From that point forward there is only regret.

    Unmutual, I agree that learning to garden well is a great idea. What do you do when the government suddenly tells you that you are no longer allowed to grow your own food? The time will most certainly come when they will, and they'll give some absurd reason why you can't, probably related to "sustainability" or "protecting the environment" or to prevent the proliferation of "foodborne illnesses." By then they probably will have covertly taken so much control away from citizens that this is the last shred of freedom you have, or should I say had.
     
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    At that point, I'd double the thickness of my tinfoil hat.
     

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