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    That's the best I can do.
     
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    Love your work Pakman!
     
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    And for my next trick, I found out some amazingly sad and scary information from farmers and ranchers in my local area. Seems the USDA is doing some shenanigans around here. As an example, several ranchers were recently told they needed a fence around the dendrite of a creek that ran into a nearby river for salmon. The agency said they would foot the bill because after all, it is for the environment. Well, within a years time the fence broke a little, and one of the ranchers noticed it. However, the rancher CANNOT fix it himself, he isn't allowed because it is a federally made fence. He has to call the USDA to get a crew to go out and fix it, and then he gets charged.... some several thousand dollars later. Naturally, this expense gets passed onto the consumer & then they wonder why food prices go up.

    There is also another farmer that has an irrigation ditch that they said was in need of repairs and upgrading. They would pay it all, and in fact install upgrades, and they did. However now it costs the farmer $2000 a year to test the water coming out of it, once, but now it is a yearly cost.

    It seems anyone that gets money or upgrades from the USDA also hands over rights to their property, and inspectors can, and have been coming & fining people ruthlessly, especially those trying to switch to organic methods. One farm that was trying to switch in this area got fined for having the wrong kind of lights on the property, they were too harsh for the cows. Then, the next trip out, his silo for silage had to be changed, and you betcha, he got a fine, both of which cost him thousands of dollars. He had to replace his silo with ones that have some device that stirs the grain to prevent some bacteria from growing. Next he got fined for his milking parlor which had been on the property for years had to be torn down, and rebuilt. I was wondering at this point what is next for him and then I found out He has since also given up. He can't handle all the flaws, fines, and loony expenses & is instead raising cattle for sale to others as he tries to recover from all the money that left his property.

    Naturally, I started talking about rebel farming, Sepp Holzer and permaculture at that point. I can only hope it helped.
     
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    Got sent this the other day - thought it needed posting
     
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    The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
     
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    There is big mistake in title "Government gone wild" should be "Governments gone wild"

    So If each country on this world pays the interests, who collects them??
     
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    Hmm thought I posted this already. Anyway Dzionik, I found it funny that your question is one of the same that Ron Paul is running his presidency bid on https://www.dailypaul.com/143510/who-gets-paid-the-interest-on-the-national-debt I can only imagine what type of wolf is hiding in that sheeps skin.
    "A politician cannot spend one dime on any spending project without first taking that dime from the person who earned it. So, when a politician votes for a spending bill he is saying that he believes the government should spend that particular dollar rather than the individual who worked for it." Neal Boortz.
     
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    I find politics thoroughly depressing.
    False hopes, bureaucratic bullshit,outright lies and self serving antics.
    One of my aims in life is to have as little to do with these people and their on the ground thugs.
    Cowardly I know,if I could see a solution I would use it.

    I used to tell people that they should enjoy this century in spite of all the nasty things that have happened because for the 'peasants' this has been the best century ever...
    You can (could) work where you want, vote for who you want,get married i you want/or not...etc,without having to get permission from your owner,um, I mean employer.
     
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    The problem is that America spends way too much on the military. My question is, why are they building objects of destruction like nuclear aircraft carriers, submarines, jet fighters etc. The only answer is to sustain it's military industrial engine, that is controlled and owned by the huge corporations. It's all about dollars and obtaining dollars, nothing else. Unfortunately, they spend almost 800 billion per year on their military budget, and that does not include the expenditure on the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, as these expenditures are under a different "account". The sad thing is your realize that 30,000 children starve to death per day in the world. If you take $275 per month to feed a child, that amounts to (30,000 x $275 x 12months) = 99 billion, say 100 billion per year required to feed the dying. Now compare this to spending eight times as much to kill. Kind of puts the whole thing into perspective doesn't it?
     
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    Seems after decades of fighting a few dictators are starting to die off just when America is having to begin a cut back of military spending..... It's a miracle!
     
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    Sarcasm aside, what is a miracle is the Wall St. Protest which is now starting to go world wide. Not bad for a bunch of college students that started off small.

    I hope they effect positive change, and I wish I was there.
     
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    Agree,every now and then I have a politics free month where the bullshit washes over me.
    A friend said the other day she now understands how it was possible for Hitler to come to power.
    I blame Murdock and his gutter press who have their own agendas.

    Unfortunately it is important that we try to have some understanding of politics and our system and how it works. Most Ozzies would have more understanding of ball games than our political system, and that can be dangerous, and is the way our masters like it.

    BTW There is no such thing as false hope; only Hope and no Hope.

    Have a look at this excellent documentary for some reasons for the Wall St movement
    https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/capitalism-love-story/
    USA is one F. . ked up country
     
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    Hey Pak. The only reason this movement has kicked off so well in the states is because it is still part of the Agenda. It's a very sutble game of control. Just like conquering any well fortafied kingdom. In order to gain control of any kingdom just control its finances. Want to gain control of its people? just control its food and water supply. The powers that be are simply closing the net of control. Destroy a countries monatry value, poison alll the freelaying bodies of water after you've secures all other (you may remember all of all the recent comotion over certain families buying up and/or the draining of the largest underground resiviors) control access too any/all free growing foodstuffs. After these 3 things the country will slowly decend into such disarray that whatever remaining populace is left will be easily bent too the will of those controlling the remaining reserves. We are going to have to force our governments to enact laws which make it illegal to do business with any person/business entity whos business practices directly cause and/or indirectly encourage slavery and/or the repression a countries citizenary. Furthermore, any businesses whom directly/indirectly supress "freeing technologhy" should be effected/targeted as well.

    ok, sor. I went on another rant. I need go work this off in the yard. talk to yaw'll later.
     
  15. Pakanohida

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    Well, that would put nearly every corporation into trouble at the very least.

    As for freeing tech... there is a saying around here since I have learned people like to experiment with technology around here...."Run when the black SUV's appear."

    Think about this, and this goes for anyone world wide. You suddenly discover free energy, unlimited, no harm to anyone or anything free. You will change the world over night. Do you really think your government / large corporations will not try to stop you from distributing the technology so everyone can freely use it?
     
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