Your own originals boys...? I have another friend who makes copies if his purchased cd to use in his car cd player because it is a little too rough on the cds to use the originals. I think this is ok, its not stealing. I am glad for you Christopher - that you are now conscious of the consequences of your actions...convenience is a trap that has the potential to ruin the world and everything that we hold dear in it. :?
Yeah, Franceyne, thanks for making me see the light.... thanks a whole lot.... (Couldn't you have waited until I stole a real impressive collection? :lol: .) I do own originals of some of Dread Zeppelins music, two albums, but can't find them.... but some of what I downloaded I don't own. Anyway, I'm a changed man..... C
Some bad piratey people in here arnt there ,,How dare they copy music.. I never copy songs out for my self........its too hard i get the computer to do it for me.... :lol: I only copy to Learn the songs for my guitar,plus the occasional copy for my own use.... i dont burn for others at all... I fore see in the future that song writers will be pleased that people copy there music,or the playing style,they are after all entertainers, Ive heard tht some bands even allow you to copy their music,that way it does stop the pro copyiers and rougue burners from making money.. who whingers the most the artist or the record companys? If i ever record a song ...Ill post it in here you can all make 20 copys if you want, 20 each for all i care..Id be pleased if there 20 who like us enough to copy our song 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Tezza
:lol: Now you know why Glenn calls me The Sarge! :lol: :lol: 8) Tezza - imagine being a musician that had battled for ten or fifteen years to make a name for themselves in the music industry only to have eveyone steal the recordings of the music for their own use - I know of quite a few artists that are very upset about people stealing their livelihood. So....Who's next with their Sunday report??? Sorry for the hijack Tully
I'd be buggered! Who is going to believe that my copied cd's were in fact copied from cassettes that I brought over the years (we're talking a few hundred!)...though the quality isn't as good as a new cd.
They will believe you because you are honest and whats more the sound quality will be a dead give away Cobber :lol:
Yep I understand your feelings Fran....its a shame for them.i mean that. I find it hard to say how i feel about this.But heck werte talking Planet earth here with Humans in charge.Its been corupted by the money makers anyways.the record producers probly hate having to pay commisions anyways :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8) Thats all Im saying ..dont want to wear out my edit button by sayiong anything else.....id hte to annoy anymore even though its a new wek again..i prommised myself id be a good boy this week. 8) 8) 8) Tezza
Just for those who read my post yesterday bout watching my team on the computer Wll we beat that other team :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Im happy today ..dont spoil it 8) 8) Tezza
You could never annoy me Tezza - you have an opinion and if I don't want to hear it I want read it...but more likely I'll read it and ask you why and then tell you my opinion :lol: You see a scale of people, artist and their supporting companies - it is all just stealing to me...most of the bands I listen to are not signed to major labels but to small independant labels - it is underground and the money I spend goes directly towards them producing more of the music that I enjoy. Healthy discussion Tezza, no need to give that edit button a work out and I'm overjoyed that you are happy - may your team always win!
Whoops. I didn't mean to be a dobber Christopher, I really thought it was cool how brazen you are. Actually, I don't have a problem with downloading art or anything else off of the internet. I wrote to Bill once suggesting that he put his work on the net for a free download {share the surplus?} but either he didn't get it or didn't feel that it warranted a response. Anyway, last time I looked, Tagari wasn't offering a free online version of the Designers Manual, more is the pity. Just the size and weight, let alone the price is a significant obstacle to more people reading and the earth benefiting from that book. Maybe I should learn how to make PDF files and offer my services to Bill and Lisa and put it down in my diploma app. as the media part... While I can see the merit in your argument Franceyne, I just don't buy it, sorry for the pun... Are artists going to starve if we stop buying albums? Then how come it is mostly poor, starving artists that offer their music as free download and rich multinational corporations that don't, and prosecute people who fileshare? Intellectual property is a big scam. Art doesn't need to be another commodity. I think that your comparison to someone stealing Chris's solar panels is a bit off the mark. Perhaps if Chris had stolen Dread Zep's drumkit, maybe you would have a point. Anyway, didn't Dread Zep steal all their riffs from Jimmy Page? Just my humble opinions, of course.
Hey there Richard, As I said to Tezza - it is all just stealing to me...most of the bands I listen to are not signed to major labels but to small independant labels - it is underground and the money I spend goes directly towards them producing more of the music that I enjoy. For these bands the selling of their records is their bread and butter. They may not starve - but they may not be able to afford to produce anymore records either because they have had to go out and secure employment elsewhere to pay their rent. I'm not into making one set of morals for one person just to dismiss them for the other because they have more money. I prefer to choose who I support. But it is not just about money - when Glenn's art was used in a manner that was not requested of him nor accredited to him it leaves you feeling a little used and mistrusting. They are not nice feelings. If you go far back enough even Jimmy Page stole the riffs - but it is what you do with them that grab people by the ears sells them your recordings.
Sunday report To pick up on the last few points in Richard's post, paticularly re Bill and his designer manual: I am one of the many who would gladly pay a premium, or well above “fair market price” for a legitimate copy of Bill's "Global Gardener" TV series, plus his other one, “In Fear of Falling Food”. But, from what I can glean from the posts some months back, the copyright holder got burnt badly by permie people who all pirated his videos when they were first released some years ago. Now, it seems, he has no interest in re-releasing the material because not only is there no profit-motive incentive for him to do so, he is in fear of losing money. Thus the resource is thus no longer renewable. Of course the permie people who actually managed to get their hands on this original material and pirate it for friends and family have all faded away, and now it is not possible to obtain this material from either them, or the original energy source. A salutary lesson surely. It was so-called permie people themselves who created an unsustainable system – ie the owner of the material could not afford to continue to give it away for nothing. There was a cost to be incurred for his time materials and creative energy, and this was not respected. From what I understand, profits from Bills designer manual have been used to fund teaching permaculture projects across the globe. A “by example” demonstration of permaculture's third ethic, “distribution of surplus”. Also, Bill's manual, by all standards, is an inspirational work of genius. What price, what value, on genius? . Having it downloadable would theoretically make it more widely available, but perhaps not more widely valued. It is a strange truth often observed (see earthbound + other's posts of some weeks back) that people rarely value that which they have acquired easily or cheaply or at no cost. Bill has expertly modelled how to deal with this issue in a sustainable way. He sells his products (books, courses) at a fair price for the inputs that have gone into their creation, and distributes the surplus. He does not give away his products for free, and, he says, he has been forced to take action against those who sought to inappropriately acquired (steal) his work. OK, the music industry (like so much other “industry”) is not interested in distributing the surplus. Herein lies the ethical challenge to the individual. Do you steal something because the “system” is “corrupt” and not observing the principle of sustainability by distributing surplus? Coles and Woolworths – Bunnings et al? Gosh, under that mindset I would never see myself paying for anything ever again, as these conglomerates are certainly the very antithesis of sustainability. I think their system is called “capitalism”, “market forces” “globalism” or “the way things are”.
So, where does the problem lie here, with the ownership or the piracy? I personally believe that we need to change how we value things. Until we get over the stumbling block of equating dollars with sense we are all well and truly *#$!ed.
When I logged in and saw THREE pages for this thread I thought "OoooAhhh, that was a successful thread, I'll have to remember to do a Sunday Report every Sunday night"....then I read through it!!! LMAO!!! I should have known. You all lost the plot :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I did try to get it back on track Tully :lol: But somehow in the end we all seem to be talking different things...I don't think a little underground band in Germany whose art I value is going to trade me their cds for my surplus broad beans...and that is if they have surplus cds....normally you have to search for the cds and because they are self producers the cd run numbers are small...nor are those cds going to be sold through a large chain music store. We need some fluff I think :wink:
Yeah, Tully, I think it was your thread about how to kill off weeds that (d)evolved into a fiery discussion about the rights and wrongs a couple of weeks back... Well, sorry. But C'mon! They dump piles and piles of cd's into landfills! It is so cheap to record and distribute music now, that there is no need for it to be a profit making enterprise. You simply don't need to charge money for music in order to keep making music. You already have your computer for email, and it created enough toxicity that the least you can do is use it to create some nice tunes, and then share them around. Mollison's work surely would be more valuable if it was read/seen more widely? Give it away, NOW! You can't seriously expect me to believe that it is more efficient for everyone to give Bill $85 per book, so that he can what, go do the same course again for people in the third world? or perhaps Melbourne? Put the damn course on line and stop flying around in airplanes, which produce more greenhouse in one flight than anyone could hope to sequester by tree planting in years. He was actually talking on the radio the other day about how he would like to see his courses aired on the ABC, but that he doubted the ABC would do it. I think that is what he was on about, anyway. I believe that the recent course he did with Geoff was recorded. Of course, there is nothing stopping the Permaculture Institute from putting it all online, for free. To me, that ethic would be a whole lot more credible if they did. Just my humble opinions, of course.
Cornonthecobberdiggerbuddy...you have *no* idea :lol: :twisted: Franceyne....it's ok, ALL our threads seem to turn to other stuff. Mainly, if you'll note, when PwCw the big nong posts!!!! HE started it this time and I am NO WAY paying again for solicitors for foolish court cases. Bloody litigation-happy Yanks!! :lol: Dear Dick on a Big Island....I know it matters nought what I post, it can be the most benign of subjects, but still it turns into the soft and smelly filling in a pig's sandwich.
