The day it all comes tumbling down

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  1. insipidtoast

    insipidtoast Junior Member

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    When will it happen? What date? When is this illusory bubble going to pop and the western world will slide into oblivion as the US dollar loses its place as the world's reserve currency and they saturate the streets with tanks and start martial law?

    It's very important I know this date, since I'm planning a vacation.
     
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    lol, when it happens a vaction won't be the choice. I think all this big movement against the banks is being artificially instigated in order for the monatary system too bring a new type of currency into existance. The bankruptcy thing is all hype anyway. All you have to do is look at the other set of books, you know the one that has the investments and list money collected. It's pretty heavly guarded. Good luck getting your states Comprehensive Annual Financial Report.
     
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    That's one thing where I disagree with people like Alex Jones. The occupy movement may have co-opted elements, and it may have even been sparked by government organizations, but the fact remains that this movement has exploded and is way beyond the scope of any simple complaint about the structure of the world's monetary systems. The movement appears to have no aims because the existing order cannot reintegrate it with any of the usual concessions for reforms. This seeming lack of demands is what fosters such a revolutionary potential from the movement. There will be no appeals. This movement will need to be met head-on with paramilitary, police state violence, since the very existence of the movement is testament to the general population's opposition of the various forces that are critiquing and opposing its existence.

    Those who fail to pinpoint the aim of the movement, fail to do so because their scope is too narrow.
     
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    Even people up here in the town of Coos Bay, OR have been arrested for protesting the Wall St. thing. There is no major businesses around here but lumber, and the Oregon Dunes National Park / Tourism, but yes, even here the protests are occuring.

    Personally, I am all for change at this point, especially after watching the comedic stand up routine of Christopher Titus and the last 10 years. It really painted an interesting picture of America.
     
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    I don't think it will go well. There is a distinct lack of preparation. Pasty Homo Employus are going to struggle if they have to fend for themselves out their in the world of whole foods and dirt.
     
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    Which means we need to be ready too defend our forest from the non-thinking people whom ravage your property for the food growing on it, leaving everything trampled/destroyed by the tmie they leave. Or the groups could simple take your little slice of heaven from underneath you. There gonna be desperate in some cases.
     
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    The "groups" who take your little slice of heaven from underneath you will likely be the tax collectors and not Mutant Zombie Bikers. :)
     
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    I was reading a little while ago, in a fairly reliable source, that a lot of the big kahunas in the financial world have escape plans. This includes some land in the country stocked to the rafters with food, water and ammo. They won't admit it publicly.

    When you see the banks share price going down because they are taking a bath on sovereign debt, and Europe decides to hold off the money printing presses (Germany does not want to print money because of memories of the Weiner Republic) then I think we will see the beginning of the end of the fake economy. If they print money the can will get kicked down the road for a little longer.

    Seriously all these attempts to manage economies is doomed to fail in my opinion. How can you get out of debt by taking on more debt without any growth?

    I remember my grandmother telling me years ago about the run on the banks. Money was hidden under the mattress (that's if you had any). That's because the banks didn't have the money that you had deposited to give to you. That's why you get interest on money in the bank, there is risk involved.

    Interesting times. I suppose that's why I feel an urgency to get my garden to a point where it provides sustenance in hard times. Just don't know when it's going to happen.
     
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    Investment in your food security is the best investment you can make.
     
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    I believe the date is 12/12/12

    it's ok for americans as they are armed and most people will fend for themselves, it's why they haven't been invaded, be a hard fight when your not only up aganst a decent military, but 100 million armed civies with rambo like artillary in the basement ready to go.

    here in australia we are left to defend ourselves with club gourds and cricket bats,
    civillians can't generally own a gun so being reasonably self sufficient would put me in a tuff situation, I got pumpkin's and i can't protect them.
     
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    You'd be surprised at how unarmed the public is now. Considering that an ex felon can't own a firearm, and the gov is pushing the police thugs to arrset as many as possible, with majority taking plea deals.....
     
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    Actually FREE, the rate of gun ownership in OZ has reach levels higher than pre-buyback days. I just heard a report on it yesterday. Apparently heaps of folks are joining 'gun clubs'. But, I still see your point.

    This is why I think one of the most important things we can do is to build resilient, inclusive and healthy communities. There is strength in numbers, and it is always good to keep your potential enemies close. ;)

    Like I said , it ain't gonna be pretty. I think the only thing we can know for sure is that life is going to be very different, especially for the people who have the furtherest to fall.
     
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    You can sleep with a gun on your lap worrying about your neighbours or you can go and help your neighbour grow his own and share your excess and sleep well at night.
     
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    100% agree.
     
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    yer, that worked real well for those villages plundered in the past by invadars. In a desperate and lawless society I think knowing you fellow man is fine, but one should be prepared to stand up to bands of thugs otherwise your stuff will be ravaged from your yard and shambles will be left when they leave assureing that whomever remains will struggle, if even that lucky.
     
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    Dont have all your stuff in one spot.
    Something obvious and something not.
     
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    mischief, I assume that's supposed to rhyme?
    It scans like a slightly apocalyptic kid's skipping-rhyme or something!
     
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    Funny, I think there is a palpable feeling of unease, verging on panic in the western world just now.
    Based on just my own families changing thoughts, as well as some of the crap going on with ridiculous cost cutting measures in public sectors.
    Protests against the current paradigm, bizarre grabs at 1st 2nd and 3rd world resources by ever changing political allegiances, increasingly unstable economies and most interestingly of all (to me) the ever increasing interest in all things organic, sustainable, self reliant and otherwise returning to pre industrial revolution (me included!!)
    I recently went from practicing permaculture because I liked the idea of it and seeing the brilliance of it from a purely systems based design perspective, to actually recognising that it could in fact save the earth (well at least human existence on earth) I'm not being all woo woo or over exuberant I just see it as common sense...... if it all goes down the shitter permaculture is obviously going to be able to solve the problem of eating through diverse abundance! however the social aspect would actually help us not shooting each other in blind panic in order to defend our own resources! hopefully we have enough time to put the permaculture plan into place before this happens!
     
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    May I suggest that this is what we should be protesting against! FFS (excuse me yanks) but FFS chuck the f-in idiot out the country, america (not the people) is a disease, it's the personification of whats bringing this world down i'm going to post this anyway but just as a note my reluctance to offend says i shouldn't!
     

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