is there any way we can get my sub forum ( is this the right word) in perm chat. like i dont know animals chooks fruiting trees/crops housing questions area ect i bet we could all think of better ones.......... what do you guys think. it would be a lot easier to find stuff. what does the forum think??? :?
Great idea Lillypilly.. What r the user groups catagory for muzza could we utilise that formaybe those who can give answers or maybe a for sale/swap /barter etc 8) 8) Tezza
Don't really need Sub Forums, as this forum is about Permiculture.. The idea would be to have say 7 fourms:- Permiculture Discussion (Principles and general questions) Construction and Technology (Building, Solar, wind turbines etc) Livestock (Chooks, Goats etc) Garden (Vegies, herbs) Forestry (Trees, groud cover etc) General Banta (General Discussion not Permie related.) Jobs / Education / Advertisment ANyway just thoughts.
I don't like this idea! Why this forum is different (and better) than others out there is because all of the topics are interrelated, as Permaculture is. I don't think you can successfully separate these topics. For example, you could be talking about chooks, and the topic could easily steer towards composting, or the vegie garden, worms etc. It would end up too bitty. Tam
I'm with Tam on this one, it's pretty easy to scroll down the topic list and just enter what interests you. If we had sub-topics it would make it tiresome open and close each sub list (I have a house with no doors also ) my 2cents worth Steve
I like it how it is too ....we are a pack of digressors,(is that how you spell that??) there's no way we'd stay on topic in each thread so it'd all end up the same as it is now anyhew only bigger. :lol:
Tezza's idea of a classifieds page was good though. :thumbright: Many websites have a message board for such announcements, rather than the forum which is for a different purpose. I find the 'look' of many of the message boards quite unattractive though and I'm sure, if you were to introduce something like this Muzza, you could get it looking great, and easier on the eye, especially our old, feeble eyes which have trouble deciphering bitty little text which resembles ants in a frenzy. Tam
I'd probably spend to much time deciding which topic it should go under... OK, a topic about building a chook pen and what trees to plant in it, should I put that under construction, livestock, trees, general? I'm just scared that if we push Muzza to hard he may revolt and we will end up with an angry, overworked, frustrated moderator who might even take our emoticons away :shock: .. He did make two chat pages for us out of the goodness of his heart... Onya Murray....
Just for once il agree with tulls. ok.... I was thinking more on maybe,, Here i am. i can help you out. call etc etc sorta.... Maybe a something to unite us all with more permies dare i say advertise.......i I know there are a lot here, are whats termed newies to Permaculture andf a few older timers,. are there any others with experience (bit like myself) who are prepared to answer questions.....a sort of verry poor mans bill mollison or small Geoff!!!!.We might not know as muc,h but what we do know covers there losses..My biggest problem i have with Permaculture and its the only negative i can think off is.... There aint many who u can ask for help 1 on1 I I I Imean.everyones too busy, to expensive, or too bloody far away lol.I like mst who visit here are miles from anyone .So we struggle along and sometimes we get dissalosioned just like tulls.we even spell like tulls now. .Do all these teachers realise theres all these permie wannabes, not beings a be..We need help and so does Permaculture,so does the planet!!! I for one am willing/wanting to help people in a personal way ... gee how many times can a bloke answer the same questions, about the same subject, without boring those, who been ere for yearss i duno...I wanna nswer my qwuestions but dont wanna type same every time anyone understand me Tezza
Hey Tezza, You've git a very emotional subject with me here. I want to write this but am a bit scared of the repercussions.... Thinking about it.... Hmmmmmmmm........ Ponder......... Ok, well here goes. I joined my local permaculture group with the expectation of being able to ask for advice, pick people's brains, visit their gardens, learn, learn, learn as we do in our local garden club, only on permaculture. The membership is 3 x that of the garden club so one would expect to reap some benefits. But.... There's no garden walks. Sometimes you'd get a newsletter, then for 6 months you wouldn't. They organise the occasional outing, about once every 3 months or so, AND, they are usually WAY OUT of my affordability. They were supposed to have social meetings monthly to cater for both administrative stuff and as a gathering point for members, but these became a rarity, and ended up being all but phased out because they couldn't get venues or people couldn't make it. Instead of 'campaigning their members, they just never bothered to let us know what was happening. I attended 3 of these and felt all but outed as they conducted their official business with no regard for non office bearing members. You try sitting in to a meeting which discusses the organic farmers market, for 2 hours straight. Which leads me to my next point... They were obsessed with making money, to the point where if I asked a basic question in regards to permaculture, I'd be told that that's why the courses are conducted. Well, I'm not paying to do a bloody course to learn about stuff that God has already laid out for us in our laps. (no, I'm not particularly religious, but it does give a good image) All they talk about is how the market can make more money, how their properties can make more money etc etc etc. When all I want to do is enjoy my property and not have to continuously reinvent the wheel. As gardeners, many of you may have asked yourself the question, when am I going to be able to sit back and enjoy what I've created? But you all know that that rarely happens. Gardens are an evolving living organism and as such, I DON'T BELIEVE that you can base your recipe on a set of instructions in a book. The designs are important, but few of us are in a financial position to be able to implement these. We can adopt aspects, or a little blend here and there, HOWEVER, most of us CAN create a garden, for little or no expense. Many permies start out in the garden and expand from there. The garden is the most achieveable aspect of permaculture. So I think that as part of a group, members SHOULD be willing to share their gardens. It help to teach and it aids to inspire us. Those who wish to make money can do so, but don't lose sight of the big picture. The president of XXXXXX Permaculture XXX has admitted to me that he regularly incurs an $800 water bill due to irrigating his property as it is income generating. Well, I ask this question, isn't permaculture about reducing the burdon on the environment. Why then does one person, living on his own, need to earn so much bloody money from his status of Permaculture Grand Poo Bah? I'm talking courses, produce, consultancy, etc, etc, etc. Ok, so I've opened my self up to a lot of abuse now, and stand ready. :silent: But I ask, when was the last time many of these people looked around them, the lifestyle they've created for themself, their garden, and the people around them, and got a warm fuzzy feeling? I wonder if people like Donald Trump, for all his billions of dollars, ever gets the sort of satisfaction that we get from seeing a seed being planted, growing into a pumpkin, being harvested and eaten, then returned to the earth by way of compost and seed? All of this income generating stuff can cloud your whole view on why you adopted your lifestyle (whatever that may be) for in the first place. So my friends, I rely on you to provide me with ideas, answer my queries, tolerate my rantings and provide me with support in times of hardship. The two former, I expected from the 'group' I financiallly suscribed to, the two latter, I've found in my friends. Thanks Tam
Tam, I see nothing whatsoever wrong with your post and doubt if you'll need to be "standing ready".....I'm pretty sure everyone will empathise with you about your local club and wonder at the hypocricy of it all....Tossers! Even more reason to be proud of what you've achieved and your website I reckon (put it in your sig ) ....you and your family are living "it" everyday...you live frugally and thoughtfully and lightly , your place could be, and probably is, a living classroom, and I don't care what name or title you or others want to give to that....stop saying you aren't totally "permaculture" like as if you feel you need to apologise pet. Now, with no guilt whatsoever, I'm off to make a totally decadent, non-permie, storebought cream and bikkies chocolate ripple cake using my mains power operated beaters and popping into my powerguzzling, big, white, mains power run 'frigerator!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh and Tezza, me mate I understand you darls.....after I spend a wee while deciphering your posts! Love, Tulls xxx
Just a bit more, It should be called 'the secrets of permaculture' because they act like the method to succesful permaculture is a big bloody secret. I got the impression that the office bearing members were using the group as a means to market their own enterprises.:!: Tam
Well said.... This was nearly the same issue I had at the IFOAM Expo the other day... Wasn't much in the way of "FREE" Knowledge. You had to sign up and becomes members or buy this book... Since being a member here I have learnt so much... And during this time I have convinced people around me to a degree. One guy has his first tank ready for his aquaponics system. Another is installing Solar into his new home using the grid system. Myself and Sam have our first lot of chooks on the way, and I have draw up the plans to mass produce (well 10 at a time) Paper bricks to dry over summer to burn next winter. My best friends have secured 10 acres and planning to build a RAL home https://www.ralhomes.com.au and I'm assisting (being the Permie guru now in my area ) planning of the property.. During lunch time and Smoko discussions in the tea room now aren't about how pissed we got on the weekend or "you should see this new tool I got" (I work with diesel Mechanics) the discussions are about biodiesel and what effect it would have on our area if it were to take off. (LOTS OF CANOLA HERE) And how it would effect there work and what modifications would need being done to older machines etc etc... This is what Permaculture is to me. I haven't any land to physically plant seeds, but I think I have planted seeds amongst my friends (And they don't relised they have been hippyfied I'll have them eating tofu and sunflower seeds in no time..Not to mention Taga hunting )
Go Girlie.you tell em,As i mentyioned in anoter post. its those that only think in single minded.too far gone to see the Big Picture.. "Do you see the big picture" even if i only go in my fruit forest 1 a day i enjoy it because...if the trees are still green theres a chance.For someone with no recognised Patience Ive learnt heaps Im so patient now.. I live it as it is ....today ,then tommorow i think of it again as today.If its stil alive Im winning lolol. As for you ideas of people in the club well youll allways get cliques in everything in life.We can all be our own garden opps Permaculture garden club..I dont wanna talk money at ALLLLLL So hows the weather this time of year?heres its vbloody cold shivering at my comp gotta go start the fire before my long suffering wife of mine gets home.... Simuler to Tulls im a single Permie too as in my other half dont think bout as long as i have/do lolol. been married 30 in november we must agree on something .. So welcome to our first permie garden club/come anything if ya ya really nead it club (inc) Questions or coments hang in there tam my wife would love your place.... Instead of weekly /monthly meatings we could all do a show and tell .Im allmost set up for my photos in here for ya been changing comp around. few bugger ups, getting there, cant wait to show some of your my/our lawns..For those desperate enough I got hours and hours of all my choos ducks geese ,areas of land and fruit trees fodder trees ,etc etc on Video, Maybe i could be the global gardener 2..Or "the global chooker" im excited at prospect of visiting joel on saturday gunna buy a book, and pick his brain a bit and help him sort his chooks probs or something like that...cant wait.. ill say hello chris... Tezza .I could become a Permie chat junkie no worries as im writing this post this is my second edit i have had 5 people post. hey you lot slow down. i only type single digits still now ive forgotten what im going to say even before you read this it
Hey Dan, You're funny :lol: . I'm the most conservative 'hippy' you'd ever get, but a very hippyish friend of mine said that she thinks I'm 'greener' than any of her other friends. This was such a big complement! I too have been influencing as many of my friends as possible. I too think that this is what's important as we need to 'spread the word' for the sake of the planet. Saw some goats yesterday at a 'Garden Club' garden walk (as opposed to the Permaculture Group) at a permaculture garden. It was quite unexpected. Most of their gardens are either English cottage, or formal, but I didn't think there was anyone else into permaculture. I rocked up late as usual, and most of the members, being quite elderly, (bless them) were standing around totally baffled and confused by what they'd been presented with. Tezza, you'll love this. The place was A MESS!!! :lol: I was the only one there who knew what permaculture was all about, so I proceded to take people on a tour of a place I'd never been to before, enthusiastically explaining about the relationship of things, etc. The owner of the property hadn't prepared anything in the way of a talk, or flyer etc, as she's incredibly shy. But I'm going to place something in the suggestion box for next month, because I'd hate to think that people have walked away without learning anything. A bit off the point, but I'm in a writing mood today. Off to give the pony a bath, haircut, hoof trim, etc for the children coming to ride him on the weekend. Tam
