Steve J's trees+ Kikuyu + chooks = poetry?

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  1. ~Tullymoor~

    ~Tullymoor~ Junior Member

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    I knew all day I had to tell you something and I couldn't remember what :D
    Last night I was reading the Earth User's Guide to Permaculture (simple book with cartoons...perfect for me) and got to page 88, controlling weeds in the orchard and it says chooks will contol oxalis, nutgrass, kikuyu and couch. Forehead slapping moment 'cos we all KNOW that anyway don't we?? LOL

    Just how big an area are we talking? Can you not buy yourself 3000 chooks?? :shock: Everyone from here could post you a chook I spose :lol: Tezza can post you three.

    If it's a huge area you could set up pens using portable fences and get them to tractor small areas at a time, is that an option?? It'll work if you can overstock, just look at chook pens after a while....they look like a lunar landscape.
     
  2. Steve J.

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    Tully

    You been on the plonk again? My post box will not accommodate 3000 chickens and Dave the Anarchist would never agree to 3000 chickens in her "space", she is quite prudish for an anarchist. We do plan to run the chickens through our orchard (will be pushing 50 trees when I put the citrus in in week or 2 - yipee) so the orchard is not really a problem in the longer term. I guess if I added up all the wind break/habitat belt plantings it would be a couple of km's or trees (and mulch) too much work for chickens (I would fear the unions being called in, CMPU - Chicken & Miscellaneous Poultry Union is big in Cheese World opps..... I mean Bega)

    Thanks for the thought and sorry about the self inflicted blow to the head :D
    Steve
     
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    ~Tullymoor~ Junior Member

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    PLONK????? Hey, Chateau Cardboard is a very fine wine, yesterday was a very fine year :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Dave the Anarchist needs her head chopped off :twisted:

    Did I say that?? What I meant was she needs assistance with some behaviour modification techniques and an iron tonic.

    Poor Snowy :(
     
  4. christopher

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    Steve,

    Sadly, I can't mail them to you. Your four donated chooks are sitting here, waiting. They are all excited by their chance to spread the Poultry Revolutionary Party to fertile new farms.

    Rocko the Radical Rooster, Betsy the Anarcho Syndicalist Chook, Frankie the Freedom Fighting Guinea Fowl and Danielle (the slightly Dim, but very sweet) Duck will have to be picked up by you and carried to Australia, where they will conspire with Dave the Anarchist Chicken to over throw the barnyard, control kikiyu and lay the occasional egg, though not Rocko. He only has two eggs, and they are very small, and he is quite attached to them, or they are to him, or something.

    2, 4, 6, 8, Organize to smash the Gate! What do we want? FOOD! When do we want it? NOW! We must organizt to find and eradicate the fascist insect! (fascist and socialist insects are actually quite yummy according to my friends in the poultry world...)

    A chook tractor would work, slowly, but would turn weed seed into chook food, and then chook poop, which would be good for your fruit trees.

    Masanoba Fukuoka uses massive amounts of ducks and chooks to clear and fertilize areas, according to a book I used to have, One Straw Revolution. He did this once or twice a year, but I remember thinking it was not sustainable on a larger scale.

    I don't know what type of densities you can afford to get up to, but money spent on chooks will benefit you in terms of eradicating grass.

    You might, for example, raise a few hundred chooks for meat, what we call "broilers", and once they get to marketable size sell them off. They wil have done a lot of work for you, weeding and pooping, and you will get a financial return from selling them. You might not make a huge amount of money, but you will not lose any money, either, and they will poop and scratch and munch insects.

    Or, you might get chooks for laying, and just let them out in the afternoon so that they lay their eggs in confinement and free range all afternoon. This is sort of what we do.

    You tried cardboard, and that sisn't work, right? Try cardboard, a layer of manure, more cardboard, a layer of leaves, more cardboars, manure and more leaves. That might smother the kikiyu....

    Good luck and if you find a solution, let us all know as I am sure we have parallel problems here and elsewhere.

    Christopher
     
  5. Steve J.

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    Christopher,

    I may pick up your gaggle of poultry yet and start that revolution, we are planning a trip to Belize late next year, (I am sadly inflicted with a disease that makes me want to catch bonefish in Belize at least once in my life). As for Radical Rocko, it's stricly a "womens group" the girls frown on macho drum beating boy chooks that smear their bodies with ocre and dance round the forsets naked.(leftwing sustainable anarchy?)

    My major problem at the moment is getting enough mulch to mulch with, I have been getting wood mulch from a local aborist but he charges for it and my piggy bank is small. As I live in a dairy area the market for straw etc is good and hence the price is high. I have cut a lot of kikuya hay for mulch but as my farm is really hilly, it is not that practical and I'd like to keep the Kikuya long (away from the trees) as it prevents other weed establishing. I have used cardboard and poo etc in my orchard and it is working ok. I will stick to the Poultry Revolutionary Party in my orchard when we finish the house and move out there. I think the scale of the habitat belts and windbreaks (my native trees) is too large an area for chooks, I have thousands of native trees to do eventually. Once they are established I don't care about the Kikuya around them but I have to establish them. I am thinking I may have to consider a pine resin spray on the mulch to control the Kikuya for a 2 or 3 year period, then just let it go.

    Steve
     
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    Steve,

    You are not joking, are you? I will be sriously offended if you don't come viswit with us while here, so plan on it!

    No room for roosters? The poor lonely ladies! You don't breed them? Rocko the Rooster wants Dave!

    The pine resin stuff sounds intriguing, but as someone pointed out in a thread about this same stuff, when the weeds die back, the ground has plenty of weed seed! Hpowever, it sounds wonderful when compared to the chemical alternatives! Frosty posted well on the dangers.

    If it is tropical, you can try manually keeping the grass back and close planting of cajanus cajun, pigeon pea, which will shaed out the grass, while aearating the soil and fxing nitrogen (and giving beans, and providing excellent firewood).

    It sounded too large for chooks as the sole control, but perhaps as one copmponent of a larger control effort?

    As your trees get bigger, they will shade out the grass anyway, so working out from trees should be a good way to go.

    Anyway, got to run, heavy rain and maybe will lose satellite,

    C
     
  7. Steve J.

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    Christopher,

    I (and my lovely wife Meg) would love to visit you in the wilds of Belize. As I said it is a little bit away but we are hoping for 6 months travelling around in that part of the world. I have to finish building our house and make a little money but we are thinking at the end of next year or early the following year.

    I think Dave may be a lesbian (sorry Rocko, you ain't never gonna 'rooster')

    I spoke to the company that makes the pine stuff today, they were most helpful. I am going to read up on it a bit more and see what other alternates there may be, I still kinda like the idea of steam to clean up the mulch but..

    https://www.organicinterceptor.com.au/

    The vinegar sprays (acetic acid) sound interesting, I would worry about it increasing the acidity too much, will look into it further.

    Steve
     
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    Steve,

    Its cool about Dave being a lesbian chicken. I'm non-judgmental on these things, and support individuals right to choose, even chickens. Roosters really suck, so I can't blame her. Rocko, of course, would be heartbroken, if he knew... which he doesn't, so we spare him the hurt feelings and rejection.

    I could create a ballad for Rockos love of Dave, but... I have to go to town today.

    Steam is a mixed bag. I am sure uit would kill grass, but all the soil biota would be wiped out, too. That would be hard on your fertility. Pine stuff sounds better! Something will break the pine stuff down.

    Well, we should still be here when you get to Belize, and we will have a nice researchers cabin cleared out for you when you get here. I am looking forward to having a visitor.

    Christopher
     
  9. Steve J.

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    Never Love an Anarchist Lesbian Chicken . by Steve J.

    Poor Rocko found out that Dave only loved girls
    He’d never ruffle her roost or polish her pearls
    “Loves labors lost” is what old Shakespeare said
    about Rocko and Dave going to bed

    So Rocko heart broken (but still feeling frisky)
    Got pissed as a parrot on cheap Belize whiskey
    His spirit was broken, no Cock-a-doodle-do
    Cause Dave had told Rocko that no cock would do

    hurt feelings, rejected and really quite sad
    the booze didn’t stop Rocko feeling so bad
    so tired from crying and aching in head
    He turned of his computer and went off to bed.

    But early next morning as dawn lit his pen
    Rocko woke up feeling frisky again
    His pride all restored and his loins full of lust
    He went out and rolled with a hen in the dust


    Christopher,

    Where are you going if you leave Belize, are you from somewhere else? Don't leave until after we visit because I'm loving the " researchers cabin" already. Can I wear a white Lab coat and carry a clip board like a real researcher??? Perhaps I should get spectacles so I look a bit clever (tough look for me) I always wanted a job at the Ponds Institute because they get to wear Lab coats, glasses and carry clip boards, (and because some of the women researchers mouth the end of their pencils in a seductive manner), but then you may have never seen the add on TV for the Ponds face cream that features the bogus 'scientific lab' that researches the famous face cream...apparently.

    I’m picking up what your putting down about the steam, it would cost too much anyway.

    Steve
     
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    that was truly a beautiful piece of prose poetry

    do you really want thewhite coats if you do i would suggest the ones that the chemist people wear you know the ones that botton up near the shoulder not up the front

    i always thought those were cool

    actually when i read "reasearchers hut "i was thinking a little more

    nature study gorillas in the mist kind of thing you know khaki safari suit sweat and pith helmets perhaps ....

    IVE GOT IT !!! you could merge the two

    im thinking a pure white safari suit, square glasses with a thick black frame, a white pith helmet and bare feet a brown thick leather belt with little pockets for test tubes and other high tech testing instruments !!

    seriously though, i was thinking about the steam to kill the seeds

    first i might have a cheap way of doing it which i will explain in a minute

    second what is wrong with killing the fertility in the mulch. arnt you just sterilising the seeds by heating them up

    the "fertility" is in the mulch matter breaking down and feeding the bacteria and other living things in the soil which then feeds the plants what it needs, what is the problem with heating it ???

    the way i would do it is the same way a friend of mine used to have an outdoor bush sauna at his house
    he just lit a fire under a forty gallon drum
    filled half way with water
    he had a pipe coming out the top side of the barrel that ...

    ran in to a canvas room made out of old scraps of timber for a frame then an old canvas tarp pegged down over the top

    the pipe just went into the tent and he put a gumleaf covered branch over the hole to disperse the steam around the room

    it was great fun very refreshing in the evenings especially when you jumped in the dam afterwards

    would this work ???? or do i have no idea how much stuff you need to heat
     
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    ~Tullymoor~ Junior Member

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    Steve, that was beautiful! You two just make my day, week....life actually :shock:


    Was that intentional?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  12. Steve J.

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    Baleboy, your scaring me but I'm likeing where your going with the whole outfit thing. I always wanted a tartan safari suit, I just thought it would look kind of swell. Unfortunately the two exclusive boutiques where I purchase all my fine apparel (‘cept undies, socks and thongs) have never had such a suit in stock. I guess people just don't donate that kinda quality to the Salvos or St Vin’s cry:



    Tully, I'm happy to give you a smile, I don’t get the “dawn” thing though?? I am a simple fellow "Please explain".

    Steve
     
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    You're gonna kick yourself (up the tartan covered bum).....
    Christopher's wife's name is....



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    Dave,

    Oh, my, you can wax poetic about our beloved pultry. Dawn, (which, as Tully pointed out is my wifes name, and who also is the bird person in the family) and I laughed and laughed when we read it. Rocko has the pick of the flock, here, though, so you aptly described hi present state of contentment.

    To get our terminolgy right, Marcus, hence forth please refer to the facility in question as the "researcher CABIN", not "hut", nor "hovel" or "dive" or "dilapidated tool shed", not retired fowl coop (nor cooped up in a foul pen), but a sophisticated, multilevel, solar powered (by the time you arrive, at least) groovy habitat with a modest view of the valley, for lucky people who get to use it (hrummph...) Researcher cabin!

    I am from NYC, Steve, and the only reason I wouldn't be here in two, three or ten years is if I was dead, or if Guatemal invaded Belize, and I intend to be buried here on this land, with a mango on top of me, so no chance offinding me not on the farm when you visit :lol: I love living here on this farm, and I love Belize, though it is a supremely imperfect country.

    Lab coats are in the dress code for lunch. I will send you the dimensions of your uniforms, and tell you where to find the rare type of plaid we require our students to wear for evening supper.

    I go stuck in town yesterday evening, stayed up late watching shite movies on cable in a flea bag hotel my friend owns, took a long hot shower, and ate chips and salsa with cheese. I missed all the excitement of this forum last night. But I scored a solar panel for about 1/2 of what its worth from someone who got it for free. He benefitted, and I did, too, which is what the world is all about...

    I really liked your prose. Write more any time the spirit moves you!

    Christopher
     

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