I still haven't worked out the easiest way to get vegies off to the best start. I've tried a few different approaches but think i mustn't be doing it right, so now i ask you guys. Here's what i have tried. 1. Plant individual seeds in egg cartons. The seedlings don't get very big. 2. Sew the whole packet in a seed tray. Again the seedlings don't grow very big and they are thick. And there's too much to deal with and I tend to get a bit of wastage. Either way is not very satisfactory. I find it hard transplanting tiny seedlings carefully into a bed. The shallots were a nightmare. So just put them in in clumps in the end. The kangkong went well but probably because i didn't have a lot of seeds sewn in the tray. I need some easy way in which the seeds will grow to a good size, maximise plant growth so that i cna plant big seedlings, not have too many to replant into pots and so on. Can anyone give me a good method. I must say i also find sewing a few of this and a few of that also time consjming. Just getting the right packet and sorting them out ever few weeks seems hard work. I must sound very lazy but isn't permaculture supposed to be about doing the least amt of work for maximum result?