Punters – who kills the wind power fraud first: the UK, Germany or Australia?

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  1. Earth's Internet

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    No, the only thing that is relevant is that you have shown to pick and choose the type of peer-review that pleases and satisfies your own personal bias in any matter. Clearly, Government in collusion with big business for promoting National Interests of economic wealth is acceptable no matter the ecological cost. That's fine, you can have that.
     
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    As explained in part, here:

    No big business, no government collusion, no national interest (economic or otherwise), and no credible, (peer-reviewed) scientific evidence to support the claim of so-called wind turbine syndrome.

    Rather, just a community-owned and operated (the first of its kind in Australia), small-scale wind energy facility, supported by a group of people (including the co-originator of the permaculture concept) simply trying to do the best they can to reduce the ecological cost of their existence on the planet:

    David Holmgren spoke about the importance of Hepburn Wind as a model of enterprise and community connected together at a scale beyond individual action. "This is a scale that we have not normally been able to work on. It makes us see possibility, see hope - rather than just waiting for salvation from governments or corporations.”

    Source: Hepburn Wind (2008) Rob Gell and David Holmgren tell it like it is at Daylesford Info Night
     
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    You didn't explain anything, you simply regurgitated your previous bigotry and religious bias pimping peer-review as the infallible deity by which mankind will be saved. You insisted there was no peer-review to back up the claims of Dr Ninia Pierpont. Yet, you were shown proof from both myself and Annette that such peer-review had been the case since 2009, with the wave of your hand you arrogantly dismissed it as nothing credible which ultimately shot down your biased faith-based statements dogmatically defended and exposed your religiosity at it's worst.

    The Industrial Wind Energy companies are no different than big oil and coal burning. They are killing the environment at a rapid pace over in the western USA and several environmental groups are keeping track of their every move. Politics are definitely behind the land grabbing and loan schemes presently going on with the blessings of the present U.S. Ideology in power. It never did have to do with the environment. It was always about power, wealth and Social Status Legacy building for an elite few. It's also irrelevant which ideology would be in power, both sides are running neck and neck in the popularity derby and no matter who wins, the Natural World gets screwed.
     
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    I have no problem agreeing with this statement. As for the other:

    There is no credible, (peer-reviewed) scientific evidence to support the claims made by proponents of the so-called wind turbine syndrome.

    There is, however, credible, (peer-reviewed) scientific evidence of the nocebo effect.

    Which brings us back to the link in the OP, and the website from whence it came: In my personal opinion - based on all of the rational, logical positions I have attempted to put forward in this thread - it's rubbish, fear-mongering, astroturfing at best, and at worst, exploitative of the so-called 'victims' it claims to serve.

    Finally, it's patently clear that this discussion has devolved to a circular argument about the efficacy of the accepted and respected methods of the peer-review system. As such, I can offer no more on the subject.

    Thanks for reading, M.
     
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    This is a flat out blatant lie and you know it. You simply chose to wave it off as it didn't fit your personal agenda and bias.


    Another flat out lie, and again a coward that comforts your personal bia: Simon Chapman who also character assassinated another researcher Dr Sarah Laurie with the same lies.


    Yes, your personal religious bias and bigotry here are in no danger of fading fast anytime soon. I'm sure the Wind Industries cheque is in the mail or electronic transfer.


    Then one has to ask, why did you pursue circular reasoning ? Why the phony championing of peer-review when it really boils down to you accepting ONLY what comforts your personal position and bias ? Personally, I couldn't care less about your 'Big Fish in the Little Pond' complex, which unfortunately seems to be what this time wasting drivel was about all along.

    For everyone's information, the cowardly and baseless allegations made by Simon Chapman to the National Health and Medical Research Council Dr Sarah Laurie are not being pursued as an issue.

    https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/media/newsletters/ceo/2013/allegations-concerning-dr-sarah-laurie


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    Ad hominem is a very low form of critical discourse. Very rarely in the past we have had to ask others to refrain from engaging in it, and when they have not been able to do so, we reluctantly had to ban them. Please do not add your name to the list.
     
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    [video=youtube;uy5AOGXdUKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy5AOGXdUKo&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    Unbelievable
     
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    Believe it.
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    Accusations, name-calling, and attacks against another poster are emotional responses, not germaine to the discussion, and basically unacceptable.
    While I realize that you are passionate about your beliefs and opinions and expressing your passion is ok, it is not ok to direct frustration at another member who doesn't believe as you do in the manner you've exhibited. Please maintain your respect at all times.
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    I finding this thread hard to believe that it is even being still discussed. Has no one even mentioned the Westerlies which is a near constant source of wind power which does effect all the countries listed in this title thread, and more.

    Even Australia is effected by the Southern Easterlies. Australia even made the book, "Some Aspects of Troughs in the Easterlies Over Southern Hemisphere Continents" (A volume of over 100 meteorological notes about them)

    https://books.google.com/books/about/Some_Aspects_of_Troughs_in_the_Easterlie.html?id=-a9WNAAACAAJ




    Trying to debunk wind, is like trying to say water does not exist.
     
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    This was never about debunking wind, it was always about the irresponsible way the technology has been implemented without care of environment or people. For example, in the western half of the United States, there has been much destruction of sensitive environments, along with the wind companies being given official government loop hole permission to kill endangered and officially protected Peninsular Big Horn Sheep if they get in the way of construction and special immunity from any prosecution for killing Condors, Golden and Bald Eagles etc which for the average person would bring jail time and/or heavy fines. Giant industrial Solar Farms have the same identical issues. Instead of being put on individual roofs and/or other existing infrastructure, they are destroying California deserts and ecosystems for the purpose of another corporate enterprise which in turn makes money for the government through taxes and other fees which comes off the billing to end users. The idea of sustainable independent free energy to consumers is repugnant to any government obsessed with creative ways of obtaining revenues. Industrial Energy no matter the sources works better for big government and corporations who don't want to relinquish their monopoly. The idea of Solar in deserts at first glance would seem to make sense, but these Solar operations require massive amounts of water these deserts don't have. Solution, tap underground aquifers which are already under stress from bad Agricultural practices. In turn the lowering of water tables hurts the deeper rooted Desert Trees which bring water to the surface which benefits other plants and wildlife on the surface. It also has the potential to dry up any other Springs along with sensitive Riparian habitat. India has in my view actually done one of the more smarter things by building such projects over existing canals. With one of the most massive populations and lack of land area to match, you might say they are forced to. But why should anyone be forced to do the right thing ?


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    Googled Pics of Indias Solar Construction


    So why can't the All American Canal be used for the same purpose ? Would utilize existing infrastructure, would reduce water evaporation and water would be readily available for periodic cleaning only to drain back into the canal. Same with the Coachella Canal which branches off there and heads north to Coachella Valley.

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    The main problem here is that since the new government has taken control and promoted it's free money giveaway to Green Energy Ventures, corporations have come out of the wood work to apply for free land giveaways and massive funding for such products and as usual there hasn't exactly been much in the way of oversight on how all these Freebies have been used.

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    Showing me solar while it has nothing to do with wind does nothing for the case of this thread.

    Purpose was to debunk wind power, and it isn't possible. Have a nice day all, I am so out of this thread.
     
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    The Solar issues were merely illustrative of the same exact identical problems that are plaguing the Industrial Wind Energy Companies who are actually destroying the environment they are supposed to be saving, much like the failed Palm Oil Plantations. But perhaps that was a little too tough to grasp, sorry if it missed it's mark for you.

    You've got bigger issue than that over there. The News here on CNN today had a special on the resurrection of all those Oil Fields in California which have proven to actually have enough Oil reserves than previously thought. Could last a century. They are using the same steam/chemical injection method used in the fracking for Natural Gas. Corporations and big business deals being what they are, don't count on any real serious ecological moving forwards unless it is expedient for some politician's political career. So good luck with that.


    Okay, whatever
     
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    It's not really wind power, or solar power that's the problem(or hydroelectric for that matter). Like with everything else, some people want to do it on a huge scale that usually ends up being very bad. You know in cartoons when a character sees something and his eyes get replaced with dollar signs? It's kind of like that. It's difficult to see without eyeballs(though some blind people would probably argue that they see things clearer without sight, but I'm sure you get my point).

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    What I wish they would do is encourage the stuff on already existing infrastructure like roof tops or transportation corridors, irrigation canals etc. In the western United States, they are destroying California Deserts. There are a numer of issues there, wildlife habitat, depleting underground Aquifers which lower water tables in turning drying up what rare Springs, Seeps, Ciengas or even just regions of deep rooting plants which thrive ONLY if water is available deep. The there is the issue of disruption of biological soil crusts which keeps the dust down. Dust storms are now up and so is Valley Fever in some desert city populations. Actually, something just came out about the west.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/07/130725-obama-renewable-energy-plan-public-lands/


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