Please let us explore 'spirituality' and this means being free to question

Dr. MacDougall, in 1901, set out to weigh the "soul" He made a very very precise specialized bed for people with TB to lay in. He found, in short, when a human dies, they lose 21grams of weight instantly. The work took into account the persons last breath, and the waste that is expelled from the body at death. Due to the nature of the weighing bed he made, the expelled waste is not the nature of the mysterious 21grams, nor is the last breath. He was only able to do the experiment on 6 humans near death before being ejected from the TB Home he was working at.

Sadly, he replicated the experiments on dogs, and they showed no signs of weight loss at death.

 

You could always go here and learn.

https://www.monroeinstitute.org/

 

Has anyone else ever been able to replicate his results? Just one set of experiments by one researcher is usually not considered sufficient, one of the basic ideas of the scientific method is that it is replicable by multiple researchers. So a one-shot deal sort of "doesn't count" as far as the discipline of science is concerned....It asks a question, a very interesting one, but does not answer it.....

Of course here I am leaping to the conclusion it was meant to be scientific, which maybe it wasn't, maybe the weight of the soul is not a scientific question and should not be held to the scientific method!

 

Which makes me curious about how others feel about spiritual matters: Can and should they be examined by scientific methods? Or are they "supernatural" and thus outside the ability of the scientific method to ever discover? And how do we know if they are or they aren't?

 

I have seen some studies on prayer and healing
Have you tried searching Pub med or Medline or some of the Psychology data bases?
Someone must have looked at the power of belief; if not how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

 

I believe there was a study at the Fatima site (I think it was Fatima, might of been St. Peters Square) done, and found a measurable amount of energy increased in the area where people were praying.

 

Cool, I'll start a prayer group and save on installing a PV system!!

 

Wow - I go away for a few days and come back to find five pages of hot discussion!

 

Do you remember how the energy was measured, what instruments were used?

 

I am looking into it, but it might take me a little while. The Satellite in orbit throttled my internet.

 

Thanks!

 

Personally I find "other permies" making derogatory remarks on "spiritual matters"... AS BAD for permaculture as saying hippies etc are bad to be mentioned in permie cycles.....

Do we knock your religions and permie dom? no way!!!!!!!
Likes been mentioned before about hippies ,and also Bill..

Im sick and tired of narrow minded bigoted fools.. This site is being over run by people with narrow minded people..

Permaculture is give and take....... amongst "thousands of other things"...

If we cant AGREE with EACH OTHER as Permies...... What chance do the rest of the human race have then....

Permaculture has never ever been sowuy used as vege growing,swale making,dam filling,tree growers....

Its there for "Everything and Anything".... not just one version.... We are all passing on our versions of life cos you ask us questions...

IF you dont like the "ANSWERS" "DONT ASK THE QUESTIONS"

Id rather learn off a Hippie then some closed minded 5 minute wonder teacher any lifetime
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Tezza

 

Amen.

Ben

 

Tessa
i haven't seen any "derogatory remarks" If i had, this thread would have been closed
Otherwise I agree wholeheartedly with your comments

 

Michelle... Ok so Derogatory, might not be the best word to use.... Its better then "slinging Shit" lololololololololol..

Having been posting on the board for 10 Years now........And having read Craigs, amongst others, theories regarding "other" belief systems.......Being narrow minded does'nt,and will never help our cause...

Just my 5 bobs worth....... Still my theory for the loss of members from this great site...

The Internet is full of "trolls" (shit stirers)...Some come to these places with the intention of setting the cats amongst the pidgeons, get everyone arguing, never to be heard of again...... A RIGHT pain the arses... but thats freedom of speech i suppose...

AS i was told 23 years ago,not long after i got into permaculture, my early teachers taught me to not just concentrate on growing veges in my garden...BUT to grow my awareness of all life... to get my mind re taught to take care,and change the systems from within... dont just save the trees...PLANT THE BLOODY THINGS ALSO... was Bills catch cry of the 80s.. Get out there, and Make a Difference,Show the difference,BE the difference..

Have a nice day..... YES IM spiritual.... And YES i was around in those good olde Hippy day..... I was 13 at time... no drugs for me ,too young,and wasnt interested ,untill much later in life..... Hippies main interest in those days was...MAKE LOVE NOT WAR... PEACE,....BAN THE BOMB....etc, etc
Thanks to the narrow minded souls we still chanting the same slogans, but we are getting a bit older now....and were tired,and getting worn out..

THINGS AINT CHANGED MUCH,polliticly wise....... but thank god there's a few more open minded people going around these days.

When we try to control peoples thoughts,we end up in World Wars, or Wars on RELIGION.... Its that bad, we even fight and argue in here too..........=n::n:=(


IS THEIR ANY HOPE..................... Things may change by end of December..... Fingers crossedarty:arty:arty:arty:

TeZZa

 

Tezza is obviously reading a different thread to me. This has appeared as a well constructed conversation, no fighting or arguing that needs to be curtailed through screams and tears of disappointment that we are not all singing Kumbaya in unison...but hey, that may just be my positive but potentially deranged view of things

 

NG, Tezza is talking about various conversations that have happened over time.

I find that some of the things said by the keep religion and Pc separate people to be.... a bit under-informed would be the polite way to put it.

 

Thanks for providing the context pebble

 

You're welcome. Here's an example https://permaculture.org.au/2011/12/08/permaculture-and-metaphysics/

 

This is what i meant.... This item in p.r.i board..

Its seams that for some who feel alienated by "spiritual" practises are simuler to those alienated by the non acceptance of Spiritual...

The fact that we are split in acceptance, is a split that can widen, just by adverse publicity....... Why should the "normal people be right all the time" lololol

Im no raving spiritulist.But im entitled to my opinion, weather your right or wrong. I was a Sceptic for mosta my life.... But Its not top of my lifes thoughts.... an apple allways tastes better in my mouth,then in my mind,even though my mouth can water at the thought of an apple in my mouth...

Can we agree to "respect everyones oppinions and beliefs"........ Lets not split ourselves apart right now...

Lets instruct our teachers, to leave the hocus pocus etc etc alone, We can still discuss spirituality, but maybe on a seperate, one on one basis,without it being compulsory.....

Lets not have "THIS and Them" mentality please for alls sake.... Cos your gunna look stoopid if it is true lolololol...


Tezza