Permaculture and Spiritualism (aka: the Metaphysical)

Discussion in 'The big picture' started by ecodharmamark, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. annette

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    Hi Mark,

    I read that link. Is the Dalai Lama's explanation in that book? It just doesn't talk about it at all in that link you posted. Or did I miss something?
     
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    G'day Annette

    The above quote (in italics) is cited (referred to) by Lama Yeshe, the author of the above book (at page 3). The link is merely directing the reader to the publisher's website.

    HH has much to say (in many of his works, of which a lot are generally available here) on the topic: 'the origin of the universe' (or verses, as he would suggest). However, I would urge caution in searching for them as isolated quotations, as HH is often misquoted (as most of the great sages throughout all of history have been).

    Concerning the above book: the author, Lama Yeshe, died in 1984. He is said to have been reincarnated soon after in Lama Osel, one of the first 'western' incarnates

    I hope that helps.

    Cheerio, Markos
     
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    Thanks Mark :)
     
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    Tandana Bioregion

    Hey Markos, you would not believe that Tea Tree Gully in South Australia is one of the driest places on Earth, it never seem to Stop Raining !
    Thank God for it too !, we will again return to drought conditions in the next few years.
    Yes the Wattles are starting to bloom and the Lovely Council have planted Bottle Brushes down our street, which is a good choice as our street is on the Top of a ridge so the soil is Terrible ( fine siltly sand which wont take in or hold water and has no nutrients ). I had to import 20 ton of river aluvial dark brown clay which is heap better but is terrible now in the wet. The Tandanya Bioregion link is very interesting, I was going to move to a 5 acre block with house in the riverland but decided against it due to the amount of Work & Cash involved.
    Cheers Hobbo
     
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    It is not called "HIS-story" for nothing by feminists to explain how male authorship over history make sure sure to make it work in their favour. AND I also stressed in BIG text how language is used as a weapon. Ie., it can be ever so deceptive, and used by people who have had very expensive 'education' to sound ever so 'expert' and 'well read' bla bla, and with graphs an ting, etc. AND of course there is also scientisim to support this lingo which itself depends On lingo masquerading as science, as is so in the mental illness myth.

    So what I am getting at is the ploy they do now to paint indigenous people in the same ilk as the modern mindset which is totally cut off from nature and the body, and is destroying the Web of Life. In order to justify to itself its insane thoughts and actions are completely natural it drags indigenous peoples down to its level of insanity. trouble is this ploy makes no sense, for these reasons:

    There is a RADICAL difference between peoples who experience nature as sacred, and full of spirit(s) and those who experience nature as 'dead'!!
     
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    A mystry remains a mystry without the tools to solve it. Color is a mystry to a person without sight.
     
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    Nothing from nothing... Never say never :)

    There is research just beginning to come out that a universe can indeed be created out of nothing. The basic reasoning behind this is that nothing is actually very rare. Space is full of both matter and energy and when you have truly nothing, then there exists a huge inter-dimensional stress which it'self, being an energy field means that nothing doesn't really exist if you consider an open system limited by your observable horizons (an open systems seems to be closed).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology

    This link touches very briefly on this topic.

    It is interesting that for us humans it's very difficult to comprehend the time dimension. One thinks they understand it but it's just a cultural construct they they have a familiarity with. Linear time, cyclic time, space time... all models that get us through our day.

    A creation event or a beginning of something implies a point in the time dimension. The answer to where God came from is actually in the bible. It states that He exists outside of time.

    This means that there is no beginning or end because that requires the existence within the time dimension (ie a point). God cannot, by the very nature of His existence, have come from anywhere.
    Consider the implications of observing something from inside the time dimension (where we exist along with our universe) that exists outside of the time dimension...

    You will observe something that has always been, will always be, will be both everywhere and nowhere.
     
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    The bible does not state that god exists outside of time. You interpret the bible to say that god exists out of time using current scientific thinking. When I was in school, we were taught using current scientific thinking that humans evolved from creatures such as the Neanderthals and the search for the missing link was still going strong. Current scientific thinking is that humans existed with Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons, etc. We're part of the same tree, just very different branches and not evolutionarily linked.

    I'm still not sure why it's important that we know how the universe was created or how life started. Interesting, yes, just not all that important unless you wanted to recreate the "experiment" and start the spark of life in a laboratory setting(or I guess on another planet). Science is still very much in its infancy, and from what I can gather, is being set back quite a bit by corporate science. I feel sorry for pure scientists.

    If we spent half the energy and time put into wondering about meaning of life stuff, gadgets and what clothes/hairstyles are fashionable and put that energy in to developing natural systems and to restoring this planets natural systems that we have destroyed, we'd be in a much better position right now. Distractions get you nowhere. Kind of like watching sports, or going to the gladiatorial games in ancient rome...it's all just a distraction from the more important topics in life.
     
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    Cro Magnon are considered the same species as modern humans, Homo sapiens sapiens, Neanderthal were a related species or subspecies of Homo sapiens. DNA studies suggest many modern humans have Neanderthal DNA. So yes, these are all evolutionarily linked according to current scientific thinking....


    Why do we care? I think it's kind of neat to be connected to these old folks and the rest of our relatives stretching far back into time..... :)
     
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    Just goes to show you, science keeps finding out newer stuff all the time. I can't even keep up with what's current scientific thinking on everything...it's tough enough sometimes just to keep up with the butter vs. margarine argument or the eggs vs no eggs argument. So I'll just continue to fry my eggs in butter because they're tasty that way.

    But aren't we also supposed to be closely related to frogs, DNA-wise? Or was that just something from earlier in DNA exploration? And yes, I agree that it's interesting(anthropology/archaeology/history/mythology are some of the reading that I do for fun), our beginnings just aren't terribly important. I also found that they believe there's a black hole in the center of every galaxy to be interesting, but not all that important to humans. I'm not saying we should stop such research, but we really need to prioritize. We could learn everything about the universe, but it won't mount to much if we wipe ourselves out in any number of various ways.
     
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    Turns out we're pretty darn closely related to all the other vertebrates, such as frogs. Pretty neat. They have very human-looking hands. :) I agree our priorities as a culture are messed up. Science can look at some things and show where we're messing up (extinctions, pollution, etc) but it can't seem to make us change our behavior as a society. We seem to want to keep studying stuff, looking for more evidence of how badly we're screwing up, before we can feel justified to act. And of course the nature of science is it can never give us a definitive answer on anything, because it is a process, not an end point. People want science to give us an answer "what does it mean?" "how should we behave?" But that's not really the role of science, its role is as an observer. The realm of meaning is where spirituality and philosophy come in, the realm of behavior is where ethics comes in. Science can inform spirituality, philosophy and ethics, but it can't replace them, in my opinion.
     
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    If I were a true Christian I would look at all the denominations (almost all stemming from the "holy" Roman catholic church) and remember the words spoken to the diciples by Christ: "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; But because you are not of the world, but I CHOSE YOU OUT OF THE WORLD, therefore the world hates you" I don't know about other countries, but the "church" has a tax-free status here in the USA. even after He said, in front of his deciples "Render to Caesar what is Caeser's". The "church" has a prominent position in the world. and therefore I cannot believe it (or they) are the followers of Christ. It is my belief that they have drunk freely of Constantine's Kool-ade. Of course this is my opinion. I don't believe we are an accident of "nature". You only have to look around you to see miracles happening every split second of the day and night. We can't even understand how the worm cleanses pathogens in the soil. ...But that's for another time and place. We all have opinions and that's just mine. I don't look to "organizations' for spirituality.

    Ben
     
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    Isn't life miracle enough?
     
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    Going back a couple of quotes, We continually see similar "pattern structure". This does not imply ancestry, or even "related to". I've made several different pieces of furniture using the same or similar basic structure. This usually means they were probably made by the same cabinetmaker.

    Ben
     
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    It does to people who accept the theory of evolution. :)
     
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    Sounds to me like the blind men (sorry, Zvall) and the elephant all over again.
     

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