PDM Study - Chapter 1

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  1. songbird

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    mostly it is correct, but poked a bit more i think that above certain population densities disease becomes a control mechanism.

    the really interesting thing about some diseases is that even though they may be viral or bacterial they can still alter human behavior enough to make a difference. the idea that humans are controlled by the brain in most cases is correct, but at other moments we can be moved by such things as bacteria or a virus. to me this is a tremendous tribute to both complexity and life itself.
     
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    so we need someone smart enough to make a "permaculture inducing bacteria of the brain"
     
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    Our predators are the parasites, bacteria and viruses that knock us off. HIV has done a lot for population control in Africa. None of it very pretty though. And mostly we have done a pretty good job of defending ourselves against the invaders.

    The next population growth killers are the so called lifestyle diseases. Fertility is reduced by obesity, diabetes, alcohol, smoking and other drug consumption. Not totally blocked, but enough to slow it down a bit. And then people die earlier than their health counterparts from the diseases that occur as a consequence.
     
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    Pretty good chance Pathogen Antibiotic resistance will become a population control as well , which wont be pretty .
     
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    we are almost back to the point where TB medications will no longer work. HIV has only slight chance of being cured at present. and there are some other diseases which make either of those look like puppies playing in the park...

    if collapse conditions happen where there are no longer such complicated medical treatements and medicines generally available then for sure we are in for some rather tough times ahead. i sure hope it doesn't come to this level of decline.
     
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    Good replies! Thank you.

    So in many ways, we've thwarted the diseases, pathogens, bacteria, and viruses (virii?) through our antibiotics and medicines for the past 100 years or so, but with resistant strains evolving, these artificial remedies are close to being overcome. Kind of like glyphosate resistant weeds. Then our natural predators may come back in force.

    How intriguing! My SO has often said that it'll be an evolved virus that ultimately reduces our population.
     
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    Further to that, there is no guarantee that there will be ready access to the type of immunisation programs that are currently in place in the developed world. We will have built up no new genetic resistance to some of them and in some cases may have actually diluted our genetic resistance, which means an outbreak of some of those old diseases could have some harsh outcomes too. Artificial herd resistance is only good whilst the ongoing artificial immunisation is available... something else to think about.
     
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    World War Z is a cool movie ;)
     
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    Bill closes up chapter 1 by stressing:

     
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    ECO; Thank you. I needed that soap box for just one moment. In This country you can blame the Govmt. Although Our great caretakers supply family planning, they also pay unwed females to have children. And the more children they have, the more the Govmt pays them. They come into the Health and Human Services offices, pregnant and dragging little kneebiters along with them, sign up another dependant that's not even out of the oven yet, then go back out to their late-model auto in the parking lot, get in and open a couple bags of potato chips and some soda pop for the kids and themselves. In less than a year I'll lay you dollars to doughnuts that same unwed mother will be right back here again. And oftentimes the father of their offspring is waiting in the car or back at the house doing whatever.

    Our own government is creating this poverty level by making it easier to live off the hard working taxpayer than support themselves by honest work. AND they keep advertising how easy it is to get on the dole. The only pride these people have is in how they can work the system. and their children learn from their parents.

    I'd better give you back your soap box.

    Benjy136
     

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