Nasa Funded Study: Collapse

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  1. 9anda1f

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    The word ... it's getting out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...sation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists


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    I wish journalist would stop writing that the evidence "raises questions" about the sustainability of modern civilisation, & start writing that it is unquestionably unsustainable.
     
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    David Holmgren is once again ahead of the game with his recent article.

    The western global economy could be the first big empire in human history to listen to Permaculture and head off this coming collapse .....if at some point during a collapse people actually start to listen....... whether they politicly panic and go even more stupid is yet to be seen.

    Recovery came from other seeding empires or communities and there may not be many of these left. What they re-colonise might not be all that pleasant because current civilisation is not very biodegradable - still it would have stopped biodegrading things eventually!

    Good to see NASA realising that some of the biggest threats to their missions are on the ground.

    Crook if NASA had to re-colonise the earth after coming back from one of their missions !
     
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    Given that they seem to have 15 men for every woman they send out of the atmosphere it could be biologically rather difficult….
     
  5. Pakanohida

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    Conspiracy Theory 420

    NASA (Which used to be a civilian organization) realizes they cannot bring back people from Mars due to cosmic radiation, all astronauts will have cancer & WILL die either on the way, or coming home to Earth.

    NASA also announces they need a DNA database to find out which Americans have genes that make the humans resistant to cancer for long term space missions.

    Mitt Romney & Obama suddenly run on a platform of nation wide healthcare (sort of, no semantics yet pls)

    Obama cancels all work at NASA pertaining going to Mars.

    US Government now has every single person in a medical database.

    Amazing how that turned out when I look at my nation over a longer period of time.

















    This country really needs a media blitz about Permaculture.
     
  6. Unmutual

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    Yep, I've been thinking about what Holmgren said about crashing the system as of late. I always thought he was a smart man, now I'm starting to see corroborating evidence trickle out.

    Moving to another planet is a blind alley. We have to deal with the problems within us.
     
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    Trying to build a new (perma)culture in between the cracks of the existing one is completely necessary, but it's not going to be enough to deal with the ecocidal reality of capitalist power across the planet, nor does it meet the extreme urgency of the unfolding ecological crisis. Mass political action toward a post-capitalist future is also called for. Now here's a cunning plan…

    [video=youtube;OxuNUen-G8U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxuNUen-G8U[/video]
     
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    if we can actually create a habitat that will survive such a long voyage (to another solar system) that would mean we've definitely conquered some of our worst character traits (disintegration/fracturing/factionization of community/groups and waste/water/material recycling on a very efficient scale).

    i find thinking about such trips through space as a way to distill what we must abolutely understand about life and what we see our future as being. the temporary insanity in large part will not be permanent and there will be survivors. what they make of all of this will be interesting to see.
     
  9. Terra

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    So far the closest planet is Kepler 22 , 23 million yrs away in a space shuttle or 600yrs at the speed of light . We are going to be lucky to last another 200yrs here , be standing room only on earth by then . I wonder why the herd cannot see it coming , heading of to another planet wont be very practical there will be a lot of very disappointed people that will never get there .

    There is some fantastic space images now it must be exciting for the people that do this photography , kind of the last wilderness
     
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    Thanks for the video link Pete I thought it was pretty good , its given me a few more arrows in the quiver . "Contractionism will be brutally resisted by those in power" or something like that was refered to in the video and are we seeing this over the last couple of years , people are getting sick of being squeezed .
     
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    On the face of it Contractualism looks right but the book comments on HIV/AIDS seem a bit shaky and lose credibility fast.
    Whether a revolution is actively caused or results from eco-system collapse, it sounds like future growth is going to have to be limited and as green as possible.
    The problem is that it might take many humans a long time to work this out. It’s a bit like those Roman cities they have found buried in ash on the side of a volcano and that when they looked deeper they found other cities below that had suffered the same fate. Humans still have a lot to learn if some of the worst aspects of our history are not to repeat.
     
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    While in theory that is true. Humans will have to go into our own solar system and colonize it in order to get precious heavy metals for continued space exploration as well as help for our own planet. Then again, mine is just theory based on what I have read from NASA's wants and needs.
     
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    in time the sun goes red giant (global roasting). perhaps we have a few hundred million years yet before that starts really kicking in. i'm hoping we have the population and environmental issues figured out by then as we'll need that done before we can travel (in our current form using some sort of enclosed ecology). however, i'm guessing that we'll instead be changing form and adapting ourselves to space travel via genetic engineering and other man/machine tinkerings. we're already quite willing to use designed spare parts in our bodies (hearts, heart-lung machines, bladders, ...) if they can actually be made to work properly, so there's not much barrier for many people to making more steps towards that sort of living. in just a few hundred years we'll likely be mostly replaceable in some form or another. which means we are on the cusp of human diaspora/explosion into different offshoots. most will not be recogniseable as human in a few thousand years. if we can get through this current mess. i would love to sleep for a few hundred years and come back and see how it turns out.
     
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    Songbird, I know the USA has been tinkering with the human genome since the early 80's.

    Englewood Hospital, in Englewood, NJ in the early 80's had signs up they could change the eye color, or various genetic diseases with their partner... Mt. Sinai hospital in NYC.

    There is even a company that is selling real estate on the moon and mars. Before you laugh this one off (everyone), Marriott Hotels, Hilton, and a lot of very very big name corporations have a stake on that moon and planet. And if you really think it won't hold up in court since we don't even own the places with human settlements let me leave you all with a quote that went around my fortune 500 company I worked for.

    "He who has the most lawyers always wins."
     
  15. Lumbuck Thornton

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    Hi Songbird,

    Do you think the really long space travel will be done with IVF? Send a batch of fertilised eggs frozen towards the most likely earthlike life supporting planet with its own biotechnology to reconstitute a human at the other end, give birth and raise the first re-generation with robots. Or should species that can’t look after themselves and others on their parent planet not be entitled to travel and give life hope it might progress beyond destroying itself somewhere else? Proving sustainability and “Permaculture” down here should come first.
     

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