Hi Len I didn't particularly say that climate change was a red herring. What I have said is that it has dominated the environmental discussion at the expense of most of the environmental challenges that were on the agenda before the climate change debate. This is what I find so dissappointing. The whole issue of climate change has divided even those that care deeply about how much shit the earth is in. I agree with Grahame, you have only got to walk outside to see the destruction going on. Whether or not climate change is happening or whether or not it is man made is being debated endlessly. I see no end to it and no real solutions to the degradation that is happening world wide.