Was happy to move on, i did edit my posts before too many read them but since i was still being quoted i jumped back on, they had there chance to leave it, not my decision, i'm not just gonna sit and watch them continue to criticise me or my opinion when it wasn't ever there anymore! it was the're choice in the end, so talk to them, not me. it works both ways.. if i say it's a rip off then he say's i should get a job and pay for it or i'm talking through my arse then who's in the wrong? just me or does it work both ways? If i complain of the price of a big mac in a forum, would I get ronald mcdonald logging on to justify his prices? no, because ronald doesn't care about one or a few people having an opinion, he still sells lots of big macs. bottom line is, muzz, if you think this thread is attacking him personally or anything, you have the power to just delete it and go back to the first post where he starts it and then lock it so no opinions can be added, it can just be an ad and that's that. why not just do that? and yeah, that's great that you are making a bit on the side, so you should, your making money from big biz' paying to advertise on your site. at no cost to us, so in the end, permaculture wins 'cos were still here for free! you have the power muzz, delete it all or delete just the negatives, whatever.