Map shows Earth's hotter future

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    Re: Map shows Earth's hotter future

    Or may be he is sick of the drivval. :ANAL:
     
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    Great post purplepear. Much like the insulting posts from ecodharmamark. Please do run away just like ecodharmamark... :p





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    Dr Dennis Jensen with a challenge to the Prime Minister...

    "Prime Minister Kevin Rudd recently delivered one of the most outlandish speeches ever uttered by a senior politician in Australia. In that speech, he made all sorts of bizarre allegations that anthropogenic climate change sceptics were being driven by vested interests, were out to destroy the future of our children and grandchildren (the typical refrain of those who do not have facts on their side, and therefore resort to emotive terminology), had a lack of logic, and were cowardly. On the cowardly aspect, I will debate Kevin Rudd on the science of climate change anywhere, anytime. I am very confident that he will be too cowardly to accept the challenge, far easier to resort to invective.

    The reason for Rudd’s hysterical speech is that he is afraid. He can see that the viewpoint of the Australian population is changing rapidly as the costs of his emissions trading scheme (ETS) become apparent, and as more people are becoming acquainted with the fact that the predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are diverging more and more from the observed reality...."

    Full article via - https://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed ... nis-jensen
     
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    Sorry, but does it matter if we figure out who is right and who is wrong? if we spend a lot of money and possibly loose jobs and in 50 years time the scientists say "sorry no real probs here" then we will be a bit poorer and a bit healthier. On the other hand if it is all too real and we do nothing then we are mostly extinct.
    I am quite prepared to cycle to work, sustainably grow a few veggies and slow down on my christams spending to avoid scenario "B" - the extinct bit.
    Scientists like to be right - the whole "quest for the truth" and all, but i quite often feel some will go in the face of the obvious so they have a slim chance of betting right at the races - even if it is a long shot at fame and glory.
     
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    UNFCCC's Convention on Climate Change might be signed by world "leaders" on December 7 2009 (note the date in your diary). Whatever anyone chooses to believe about climate change, farting cows, conspiracy theories, aliens, pixies or fairies, the world will be a very different place if it is made law.
    Anyone who's interested should take a look at the actual document, which makes interesting reading: https://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009/aw ... /inf02.pdf
     
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    G'day Alex

    Why?

    I must confess, I did not read the entire document (180-odd pages), but I did skim over the important bits.

    Why is that you think this is going to be some sort of groundbreaking event, and what effects (social, political, ecological...) do you think it will have on so-called 'developed' and 'developing' countries in the short, medium and long term?

    Cheerio, Marko.
     
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    Unfortunately it has been 'real' before ....all through human history.

    Some extracts from a Newsweek article -

    …”A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences…

    … The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climate change once the results become grim reality.

    Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects…

    …There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic…

    …To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather…


    Familiar words eh ...the problem is the article is from 1975 and was referring to the coming Ice Age
     
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    In my previous post some of the Ice Age 'fixes' mentioned in the 1975 Newsweek article were to divert arctic rivers and to cover the north pole in black soot to make the ice melt.... i guess they had to be seen to be doing something, i'm just glad they didn't do anything.

    Whats some of the today's warming 'fixes' ...iron filings in the ocean, or the dimwit Flannery idea of sulphur put into the atmosphere ...LOL, to prevent 'Global Damage'' perhaps Flannery needs to be locked up until the current warming hysterics changes to the inevitable cooling hysterics...




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    How could it be anything else?

    Any anarchist worth his salt would resist this attempt to permanently an irrevocably centralise global power into the hands of unelected bureaucrats. I'm not interested in arguing about the reality or otherwise of global warming. True believers have made their position very clear. But I reckon I know a power-grab when I see one.
     
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    G'day Alex

    Yes, no argument out of me re: anthropogenic climate change - the science is quite clear in that regard, and it is time to move the conversation forward.

    Concerning your suggestion that I should personally "resist" this development: What do you suggest I do; strap myself up and take them all out? I work very hard at the local level (and the global, if you take into account this forum) to provide a non-hierarchical platform for people to come together in order to re-learn the basics of the polis (one body, one voice), and how that can be applied to the communal (many bodies united in one voice), with the ultimate aim of dissolving the centralised power base and giving the power back to us, the people.

    I was going to respond, in detail, to your challenge, but then remembered that I have recently written a (critical research) paper on this very subject. It is reproduced here (sans graphs) for your perusal:

    The science is irrefutable. All species on this planet will now live or die according to a climate that has been irrevocably changed by human influence. What is equally irrefutable is that if we continue to interfere with the natural balance of the elements which together make up our climate, even our own future survival as a species will not be certain. Therefore if we are to at least give ourselves a fighting chance, we must drastically alter the cultural, industrial and economic processes that underpin our current unsustainable way of living. We must drastically reduce – and definitely not increase – the amount of greenhouse gases we emit to the atmosphere. We must halt all forms of land denudation, for the carbon storing ability of the world’s forests holds yet another key to our survival. Most importantly, we must do all of this very soon, for there is precious little time left to wait. Government and industry have both proven that they lack the political and/or economic will that is required to drive the desperately needed shift in our dominant cultural paradigm away from that of mass pollution and toward that of mass social and ecological reciprocation. Into the vacuum created by this lack of true leadership steps the only other available body that can drive change at a scale which will see Earth’s entire spectrum of life being able to share equally in whatever ecological sustenance the future may hold. This remaining driver of cultural change is us, the collective peoples of the world. We can be the change we want to see. How this change comes about, whether in reaction to or as a voluntarily precursor of the coming ecological crisis, is entirely up to us. Similarly, whether we undertake this process of change through violent or non-violent means is likewise entirely up to us. One would hope that as we do undertake this transition to a more sustainable existence, we do it by means of education rather than by force, and thus reduce the current levels of violence we inflict upon both ourselves and the other species of the planet. Time remains the critical factor in the race against human-induced climate disaster. As such there is no better time to start the process of education, and no better way than through the dissemination of scientific fact.

    By viewing a graph (see: Figure 1, p. 2) that contains approximately 800,000-years worth of climate data, it soon becomes apparent that a strong correlation exists between the historic levels of atmospheric CO? concentration and average global surface temperatures. What is also readily apparent is that human-contributed atmospheric CO? continues to rise unabated and is today (in 2007) registering at an unprecedented level. With the knowledge that global surface temperatures increase in line with atmospheric CO? concentration, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC) was able to confidently report in 2007 that the higher maximum temperatures, higher minimum temperatures, and reduced diurnal temperatures it believes are ‘virtually certain’ to occur around the globe throughout the remainder of the twenty-first century will almost certainly result in ‘more severe’ weather events including ‘coastal storm surges and flooding’ (Pittock, 2009, p. 84). For anecdotal evidence of how accurate the IPPC prediction has come to be, one need look no further than the recent catastrophic events which occurred in Manila where ‘at least 116 people killed and more than a quarter of a million displaced’ (AFP, 2009). This most recent tragedy has come to remind many of those who live in this increasingly flood ravaged part of the world that climate disaster may soon become the norm rather than the exception (Tharoor, 2009):

    ...shifts in global temperatures may mean increasingly extreme weather patterns for coastal cities like Manila... "[Tropical cyclone Ketsana] was a startling, unique event," says Herminia Francisco of the EEPSA [Environmental Educators Provincial Specialists Association] in Singapore... "But then I think this is going to happen more and more frequently in the future"...

    Figure 1: Global surface temperature and CO? concentration of the last 800,000-years (Source: Pew Center on Global Climate Change, 2009).

    Predictions of human-induced climate change are not new. In 1896 Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius announced to the world that increased levels of atmospheric CO? concentration were due to the processes of industrialisation, and that these increased levels of CO? would eventually cause an increase in Earth’s average surface temperature of between 5 and 6 degrees C (Weart, 2009). However what Arrhenius did not foresee was that the temperature would begin to rise in a matter of decades and not take the thousands of years he had predicted based on the moderate levels of human-engineered CO? he had calculated would be emitted during his lifetime and beyond. More recently though, in 1964 – but no less amazing given the detailed accuracy of the prophecy – eco-anarchist and founder of the Social Ecology Institute Murray Bookchin stated (Bookchin, 2004, p. 60):

    It can be argued on very sound theoretical grounds that this growing blanket of carbon dioxide, by intercepting heat radiated from the earth, will lead to rising atmospheric temperatures, a more violent circulation of air, more destructive storm patterns, and eventually a melting of the polar ice caps (possibly in two or three centuries), rising sea levels, and the inundation of vast land areas.

    It seems that Bookchin’s mid-twentieth century vision of a future world – in particular one that is subject to ‘more destructive storm patterns’ – has materialised much sooner than the ‘centuries’ he suggested it would take.

    Unlike the many warnings of the past, adequate responses to the life-threatening scenarios that anthropogenic climate change promises (and in some cases has already proven able) to deliver are today very hard to find. A few responses, at least those which in theory do seem to offer some hope, range in character from localised, individual and community-orientated efforts such as those that the Bendigo Sustainability Group (2009) subscribe to, right through to global-arching support programs such as the UN’s Acting on Global Climate Change: The UN System Delivering as One (2008). Contrastingly, inadequate responses can be found in the policies of almost every form of centralised government existing around the world. Likewise, the behemoth known as the world’s collective consumer-capitalist industry is equally adept at espousing its own share of empty promises and rhetorical statements in responding to the threat of climate change. For an example of the former, one needs look no further than Australia’s feeble attempt. The Australian Government on the very first page of its counterproductively-named Department of Climate Change website (as opposed to a more confidence-instilling Department of Climate Response, or even Department of Climate Action) boasts that it ‘takes the challenge of climate change seriously’ (2009). Yet in the very next sentence it proclaims that it does so by merely attempting to ‘reduce greenhouse pollution’ (ibid) (emphasis in italics added by the author). Or as Bookchin (1980, p. 278) would suggest, it merely proposes to ‘tinker at the edges’. For an example of the latter, Australia once again proves capable of producing a plethora of industrial peak bodies that likewise fail to engender a sense of confidence in their ability to adequately respond. One such industry body that hails from among the world’s dirtiest in terms of producing CO? pollution is the Australian Coal Association (ACA). A strident advocate of coal-fired energy production, ACA has recently offered the following in terms of responding to the crisis: ‘Ceasing the use of coal and other fossil fuels in order to cut greenhouse gas emissions is simply not a realistic option for the foreseeable future’ (Australian Coal Association, 2008). It seems that the ACA is instead determined to continue in its push for a ‘clean coal’ solution: ‘One of the most promising long-term solutions for reducing global greenhouse gas emissions from power generation is carbon capture and storage technology’ (ibid).

    On the subject of clean coal, it should come as no surprise to learn that one of the world’s dirtiest (and possibly wealthiest) industries should claim that it can clean up itself up (Lauder, 2009). However the likes of ACA do not make their claim without at least attracting some criticism. One such critic is Dr Mark Diesendorf, ex principal research scientist at CSIRO. Diesendorf suggests that while carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology ‘could possibly begin to make a significant contribution to greenhouse gas abatement after 2030’, the cost shifting associated with its implementation will be equally as significant (Diesendorf, 2007, p. 245). Diesendorf believes that the high input costs associated with CCS will need to be recovered through increased taxation and/or end-of-supply-chain price hikes. This projected outcome, together with the ‘inevitable and continued environmental degradation’, means that the very people who can least afford to adapt will remain the biggest losers under a clean coal regime, both through costs to their own meagre economic resource base, and through costs the very ecology that sustains them (ibid). Another vociferous critic of clean coal technology is Barrie Pittock, CSIRO Honorary Fellow. Pittock argues that while CCS ‘may well be essential as part of a package of solutions’, it has yet to be proven as either a ‘safe or economically viable’ option (Pittock, 2009, p. 306). Pittock further claims, that even if CCS were to prove successful at some point in the future, it would ‘not [be] possible to install these technologies fast enough to avert a high risk of dangerous climate change’ (ibid).

    If we believe for the above reasons alone that governments of all persuasions and their cosy bedfellows the industries who stand to lose the most in a post fossil-fuel society are unable (or what is more likely, unwilling) to adequately respond to the continuing threat that climate change presents, then the only other real response mechanism available ‘to redress the balance’ is one that resides within community itself (Diesendorf, 2009, p. 9). This supposed understanding then raises the next question: How will concerned members of the community act further in order to galvanise the growing level of community awareness as to the threat that climate change poses, and at the same time turn this growing change in community mind-set into a more productive form of community action? Many grassroots organisations claim to have the answer. However one at least, the Transition Towns (TT) movement sensibly adds a disclaimer: ‘We truly don't know if this will work. Transition is a social experiment on a massive scale’ (Transition Network, 2009). What the TT movement (or at least its internet-based spokes-body) are prepared to patently project is that (ibid):

    • if we wait for the governments, it'll be too little, too late
    • if we act as individuals, it'll be too little, but
    • if we act as communities, it might just be enough, just in time

    What exactly then do the above-mentioned community acts look like in practice? Diesendorf in his latest call-to-arms, Climate Action: a Campaign Manual for Greenhouse Solutions (2009), suggests that they take the form of various community-led ‘direct actions’. But he warns that if we are to be truly successful in changing the way we as a community respond to the threat, then we will need to ‘frame’ our arguments in a manner that endears rather than alienates members of the general populace (pp. 168-71). Diesendorf’s advice seems to suggest that in order to counter the negative trend that is currently working against environmental activism – a trend which has increasingly become apparent right around the globe (see: Figure 2, p. 4) – we need to develop new ways (or maybe revisit old ways?) that have proven to be highly effective in changing attitudes, and therefore behaviours of the past. But will this be ‘enough’, and will it be accomplished ‘just in time’?

    Figure 2: Percentage of US ‘adult nationals’ who in March 2009 (and beginning back in 1998) believed that what is said in the ‘news’ concerning the seriousness of global warming is exaggerated, or correct/underestimated (Source: Gallop, 2009).

    One of those past yet highly effective ways of changing community attitude in responding to an impending ecological crisis can be found by studying the extensive life work of Murray Bookchin. The theory and practice of non-violent direct action that Bookchin had philosophised over for most of his life, and actively engaged in during the latter part of, was instrumental in the profound successes of late 20 C environmental activism that swept across the USA. One such famous group that adopted Bookchin’s theories and turned them into practice was the Clamshell Alliance (TVS, nd):

    ...a movement that forced the nuclear industry [across the USA] to shelve its plans for new nuclear plants for 30 years. Some say its success was just a matter of the right people, time, place and issue. Others say the key to success was Clamshell's structure — highly organized, but extremely democratic and decentralized to the point of anarchy... the Clamshell Alliance fulfilled Albert Einstein's plea to take the issue of atomic energy to the village square.

    And take it to the ‘village square’ they did. On 30 April 1977, more than 1,800 members of the Clamshell Alliance peacefully occupied the planned Seabrook nuclear energy facility site in New Hampshire, USA. Of those people, a total of 1,114 were arrested and held in detention for a period of 13 days. Later in 1978, another 20,000 people protested onsite at the Seabrook facility before heading to the biggest ‘village square’ of them all, Washington DC. There they took up defensive positions and protested loudly outside the offices of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Many decided to stay on indefinitely at Washington where they informally occupied the footpaths outside the Commission, both as an act of defiance toward a government that was advocating for nuclear-sourced energy production and in solidarity with those who had been previously arrested. Later still in 1979, thousands more were arrested when members of the Clamshell Alliance literally took the issue to Wall Street, another high profile ‘village square’. Ultimately through the actions taken, and by making personal sacrifices, the members of Clamshell Alliance were to help win the fight against nuclear power plant proliferation across the entire USA. No new permits were issued for construction of plants post 1978, and many of the then existing proposals that were in various stages of construction were successfully ‘blocked and subsequently abandoned’ thanks to the efforts of the Clamshell Alliance (ibid).

    In sum, the current trends in climatic shift resulting in the various examples of fire, flood, famine and disease that are evident right across entire regions of the globe today, are all clear indicators that the biosphere is entering the early stages of an anthropogenic-induced ecological crisis. When looking for ways to counter the worst effects of climate change in terms of halting the atmospheric CO? enhancing behaviours of the individual, the state, and even industry giants, history provides us with plenty of examples of the efficacy of participating in non-violent direct actions. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by blaming previous generations for the part they played in creating this situation, for their time has come and gone. Rather it is up to us, the present generation, to act in a decisive and immediate manner in order to achieve a way of living which does not contribute further to the dire situation we find ourselves in. No longer can we afford to wait, constrained by the barriers that 300-odd-years of unsustainable industrial/modern/post-modern-era investments have produced if we are to stave off the worst effects of a changing climate, and at the same time reduce the severity of the crisis that many of the world’s poorest people face. Centralised state bureaucracies have proven time-and-time-again that they cannot adequately respond to the crisis, hamstrung as they are by the systemic and ingrained patterns of dictatorial delusion and democratic indecision that remain prevalent throughout their respective institutions. Likewise the mass production/mass consumption ideology adhered to (or at least aspired to) by the majority of the world’s population – the boom-bust capitalist cycle of joy and misery which can only breed apathy and further discontent – augments the inability for individuals to adequately respond to the crisis from a local through to a global perspective. If society is to seriously face the challenges that a changing climate presents, and at the same time create human habitats that equitably serve all of the world’s people, then the way people currently think and ultimately act must drastically change. Never before has the adage ‘think globally act locally’ been more important than in this, our own time of reckoning. The collective society must find a better way to counter the coming detrimental effects of climate change, and unless we wish to repeat the mistakes of the past it must undertake this momentous task with an understanding that we don’t have the luxury of time on our side. One proven way of accomplishing change in the collective minds of society is through the propagation of non-violent direct action. In other words, we must take our protests to the ‘village square’, and we must do it soon!

    References

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    Australian Coal Association (2008) Coal and Climate Change. Retrieved on October 6 2009 from Coal and the Environment: https://www.australiancoal.com.au/coal-a ... hange.aspx

    Australian Government (2009) Welcome to the Department of Climate Change Website. Retrieved on October 6 2009 from Department of Climate Change: https://redo.me.uk/v36go/www.climatechan ... index.html

    Bendigo Sustainability Group (2009) Our Statement of Purpose. Retrieved October 6 2009 from Bendigo Sustainability Group: https://www.bendigosustainability.org.au ... &Itemid=24

    Bookchin, M (2004) Post Scarcity Anarchism - 3rd Edition. Edinburgh: AK Press.

    Bookchin, M (1980) Toward an Ecological Society. Montreal: Black Rose Books.

    Diesendorf, M (2009) Climate Action: a Campaign Manual for Climate Action. Sydney: UNSW Press.

    Diesendorf, M (2007) Greenhouse Solutions with Sustainable Energy. Sydney: UNSW Press.

    Gallup (2009) Increased Number Think Global Warming is 'Exaggerated'. Retrieved October 9 2009 from Gallup: https://www.gallup.com/poll/116590/incre ... rated.aspx

    Lauder, S (2009) Australians 'the world's worse polluters'. Retrieved October 12 2009 from ABC News: https://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... 683439.htm

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    Pittock, A B (2009) Climate Change: The Science, Impacts and Solutions - 2nd Edition. Melbourne: CSIRO.

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    Cheerio, Mark.
     
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    I suppose "resist" was not the correct word, since resistance is useless. "Refuse to support" might have been a better choice of words. My point is simply that the idea of any step towards concentrating power in the hands of the globalisers must surely be anathama to an anarchist. I reckon the banksters and "free trade" carpetbaggers stand to make a motza on the carbon trading exchange.

    https://www.altenergystocks.com/archives ... cle_1.html
     
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    G'day Alex

    Within the hugely broad and multi-faceted anarchist movement, there is 'resistance', and then there is 'resistance'. My choice involves education, for I believe that the 'pen is mightier than the sword'. Of course, that penpersonship must be followed up with non-violent action, for 'actions speak louder than words'. This is what I, and those of like-minded predilections believe, and more importantly, do.

    My original question stands:

    Why is this event, over so many others throughout the entire history of humanity - a history that is littered with the remains of those who have fought against the centralised powers - any different?

    Mores the point, what are we going to do about it?

    Shakyamuni Buddha once said that if you find someone who has been wounded with a poison arrow, the most urgent thing is not to find out who shot the arrow, what the bow was made of, who made the arrow, etc. but to remove the goddam arrow!

    Sorce: https://www.theanarchistlibrary.org/site ... chy_a4.pdf

    Cheerio, Marko.
     
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    I've been reading Lester Brown's Plan B 4.0: mobilising to save civilisation. its a very up to date review of whats going on in the world as far as the outcomes of an already changing climate. pretty tough reading but there is also some great solutions, for people who realise that we can't wait for government to lead the way. this is a free PDF download i thoroughly recommend to anybody.
    https://www.earth-policy.org/index.php?/books/pb4
     
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    When ah reads that ah knows there is somebody who has no idea... :mrgreen:

    Quickie knowledge test time ecodharmamark -

    - Who was Roger Revelle ?

    - What was Al Gores relationship to Revelle ?

    - Did Revelle change his mind about his research ?

    - Re the IPCC, what was the Hockey stick graph about ?

    - Was the hockey stick graph genuine ?

    - Is the research that gave us the hockey stick a basis for much of the global warming research and claims ?

    - What is Climate-Gate all about ?

    Nuf for now......
     
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    Thanks for the link Marko. I'll enjoy reading at length later. In light of this new information, the best answer to your question might me "mu", or better still, "hockey stick".

    I say "resistance is useless" because resistance often empowers the enemy, while weakening yourself. Those who would build a global empire have otfen subtley co-opted the "village square" so that, for instance, the nuclear energy that James Lovelock argues in favour of to save the planet from global warming has not been taken up. Deadlier coal still reigns supreme. Big oil transforms into "energy companies" so BP becomes Beyond Petroleum, while the hapless greenies celebrate and hand their soveriengn power over to the global imperialists bit by bit, in return for prestige and status.

    I don't think I claimed this event is over and above any other, as all events are different, their effects difficult to measure in isolation. We'll have to wait and see if the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference delivers the power to the designers of the New World Order (Global Empire) that they seek. What ever happens, since it can only strengthen the grip of the centralisers, it will be a world-changing event.
     
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    Thanks matto. I read version 3.0 when it hit the uni library shelf last year - powerful message!

    The link to version 4.0 will come in very handy for future research. Now if only we could get 'the market' to listen...

    Maybe empty bellies and parched throats in affluent regions of the future will be our only saviour?

    Have you come across Integral Ecology (see: https://www.integralecology.org/explore) yet? If you like a 'deep' read, you might enjoy this one.

    Cheerio, and thanks again, Marko.
     

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