The thread was locked, but to be fair, we don't actually know why. The conversation isn't even close to some of the harsher debates we've had here. A mystery. I do take your point S.O.P about talking about permaculture though. Maybe we should start some more pragmatic threads. Although I must admit I'm hanging out at Permies this week 'cos Geoff Lawton has been answering questions there. Maybe we need to organise something like that.