No one forced you to read this thread. You are free to read or not read. You are free to participate or not participate. Discussion is good only if it is limited in content. Endless hair splitting is a disease. Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a Disease and Insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet. Billions of Pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another Harmful Waste created by Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste. Discussion cannot save environment. Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment for millions of years through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.....Agrarian Society did not save environment through discussion, It saved environment by destroying less of it, By destroying environment only for food, clothing and shelter and not for thousands of consumer goods and services. If discussion could solve global problems this world would have become a paradise long ago with the help of trillions of pages of discussion......Whereas the reality is all the discussion is making it more and more insane moment by moment. I come from a country where "thinking" was considered the biggest obstacle in making the mind peaceful.....The fields of yoga and meditation were developed to stop thinking and achieve peaceful states of mind.
. When there was still time to save environment a whole century was wasted in the futile debate over Capitalism, Socialism and Communism. Trying to save environment after 250 years of relentless Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save. Industrial Activity destroys environment.....Where there is Industrial Activity there is environmental destruction.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism doesn't matter at all. Monsanto is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism. Nuclear Power Plants are not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism. Mining Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism. Logging Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism. Construction Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism. Transportation Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism. Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Tar Sands and Hydraulic Fracking are not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism. . . This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society. This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food. . Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Sushil, Perception is reality. Your negative, fatalist, ranting without offering solutions creates a negative reality where the future is already cast and no solutions exist. Are you enjoying that reality?
I think there are as many solutions as there are people to implement them. Here's some folks with a different solution (not for everyone, probably! ): https://www.lynxvilden.com/
I must say...without a massive transformation if conciousness, this planet is doomed. This is not a negative mindset or fatalist ranting, its just fact. This earth and human brings cannot coexist with the present conciousness of human beings. That does not mean we should give up hope for the change, it simply means there isn't much individuals can do other than work on themselves and look within to better oneself and help shift collective conciousness. There is an interesting hypothesis about the upcoming few years...agriculture revolution took thousands of years, industrial revolution took hundreds of years, information age took tens of years...and hopefully the wisdom age will be here soon, in the single digit of years. It's a exponential shortening of time when we see these revolutions, as each ages knowledge is built upon itself. We all have our opinions and way we aproach and deal with lifes suffering. I must agree though, human beings are the sickest creatures to ever walk this earth. Very sad. Only thing you can do is become the light as best you can and hope your light helps illuminate the darkness that surrounds you. Many of us are asleep. Wake up. Wake up. We need you to wake up in order to see the darkness, the 'insanity' and 'abnormality' that surrounds us. Be the light. This is the only way for real change. I believe this was the purpose of sushils post. We need a massive shift in conciousness. I hope it comes soon. Bless. " : I'd like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realised that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but you humans do not. Instead you multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for you to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a cancer on this planet, you are a plague..."
I think it is beginning. See the examples posted in the PRI news, especially those documented by John Liu. I don't personally subscribe to the "humans are a cancer" theory because the minority of human cultures have been destructive. The problem as I see it is not our species, it is our culture, and cultures can change as you point out. This lecture by Toby Hemenway goes into some detail about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo The problem with saying "we all have to change our consciousness" is that consciousness change does not all happen at once like a worldwide revelation, it happens one person at a time. Waiting for the entire world to change consciousness before we change our behavior is counterproductive, in my opinion. I think we need to change our destructive behavior to regenerative behavior as we change our consciousness. And the major responsibility for changing our behavior lies with those of us who use the largest share of resources, such as those of us in the US and AU. I think we're obligated to try to model both changing consciousness and changing behavior.
I didn't suggest waiting for everyone to wake up. Exactly the opposite, saying we ourselves must first look within and wake up, then behavior change will follow. The only way the horrid unspeakable treatment of animals stops, is if sleeping human beings wake up to the evil we are all a part of (aware or not) , and thereby changing our behavior and ceasing to buy 'unclean' products. Counciousness must shift and then behaviour, it cannot be the other way around. So I certainly agree with you, we must change at an individual level. this is the first and most important step. we can not have change unless we first quiet our minds, put vegetables in our bodies, and awaken to the infinite love and abilities we as human beings possess.
.. When a mass shooter kills 20 American kids the world is outraged. When millions of baby seals are clubbed to death the world is not outraged. When Industrial Society kills billions of animals in Slaughter Houses the world is not outraged. When Industrial Society kills billions of wild animals by destroying forests with Industrial Activity the world is not outraged. When Industrial Society kills Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste the world is not outraged. When Industrial Society kills billions of acres of fertile soil that provides food to millions of species with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt the world is not outraged. When Industrial Society kills ecosystems that are home to millions of species it is called Progress, Growth, Development. . . Who is not a killer in Industrial Society????? Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land. Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals. Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees. Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil. Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land. Mass shooters are not the only insane people in this society.....The entire Industrial Society is insane. The entire Industrial Society is insane, abnormal and criminal. . . Industrial Society is a curse on this planet. This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society. This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food. An Industrial Society will always be cruel to millions of other species and to itself. A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself. After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not even exist. Welfare of humans and millions of other species is only possible in a non-industrial society. Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth. . . Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Well said. I must agree with you. It's very sad. The world is asleep. The world is, as you put it, insane. Native Americans knew exactly what was up, they had it figured out.
But with that said, nature has a way of finding equilibrium. Does not bode well for our species. This is the point of permaculture. To get back to the roots, to gt back to a simpler life, where we.don't.need.to depend on industrial society. If more and more.people.wake up to these facts, perhaps things will change. I, nor you,.are.god or nature. We have no concept of what can happen. Always keep an open mind. Rigid views lead to sorrow and pain.
They had warned European invaders of the consequences of loot, plunder and exploitation of nature. "only after the last tree has been cut down only after the last river has been poisoned only after the last fish has been caught only then will you realize that you cannot eat money" . . Cultures that were living sustainable lives in Asia, Africa and America were destroyed by the West during the era of colonization. . .
More than 99.9% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen. Most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems have already been destroyed. Species are not lost when they become extinct....Species are lost when they get decimated....Species were lost when their populations dropped from billions and millions before industrialization to thousands and hundreds after industrialization. There are(were) millions of species in this world....Most of them have already been decimated because Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests....Millions of Plant and Animal species have been decimated by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports.. If we calculate the decline in populations of millions of species after industrialization the combined loss will come to more than 99.9%. . . Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth. Oceans have turned acidic and warmer and there are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing. Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt. More than 99.9% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen. A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself. After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not exist...It is only a matter of a few years now. . . Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Five Elephants were run over by a train in the state of Orissa in India yesterday. One of them was a female in advanced stage of pregnancy whose foetus came out as the train hit the mother. The world will celebrate one more New Year's Eve today......After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species this world will celebrate yet another New Year today. . . After destroying planet Earth.....After destroying most of the biodiversity and ecosystems, Industrial Society should be in Mourning but it wants to Celebrate instead. It wants to Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals. If Industrial Society had any shame there would have been no Celebrations in the past , no celebrations for the next thousands of years.....only Mourning. Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species, destroyed Forests, poisoned Rivers, Oceans, Soil and Sky with Billions of Tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste. Industrial Society is a curse on this planet. Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!! Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals!!!!.....Go Shopping.....Spend Money.....Buy Gifts....Buy thousands of consumer goods and services.....Promote and Accelerate Industrial Activity which will kill even more Biodiversity and Ecosystems. And then wait for next year to celebrate the death of nature once more. . . This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society. This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.
. Eat, Drink and make Merry [ while the planet burns] . Industrial Activity is destroying the planet moment by moment and citizens of Industrial Society are wishing "Happy New Year" to each other. . .
Sushil, what is it exactly that YOU are doing to improve things on this planet aside from posting negative, self-defeating rants that will do very little to change the state of play? What does your non-industrialised life look like? I am assuming that you have either totally given up on the type of life that you exhort us all to lead (hence your use of the internet) and are just content spreading doom and gloom...or you actually practice what you preach? Please enlighten.
