No one forced you to read this thread. You are free to read or not read. You are free to participate or not participate. Discussion is good only if it is limited in content. Endless hair splitting is a disease. Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a Disease and Insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet. Billions of Pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another Harmful Waste created by Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste. Discussion cannot save environment. Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment for millions of years through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.....Agrarian Society did not save environment through discussion, It saved environment by destroying less of it, By destroying environment only for food, clothing and shelter and not for thousands of consumer goods and services. If discussion could solve global problems this world would have become a paradise long ago with the help of trillions of pages of discussion......Whereas the reality is all the discussion is making it more and more insane moment by moment. I come from a country where "thinking" was considered the biggest obstacle in making the mind peaceful.....The fields of yoga and meditation were developed to stop thinking and achieve peaceful states of mind.