Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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  1. Michaelangelica

    Michaelangelica Junior Member

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    This thread should be in The Big Picture section of the forums but is a bit big to move now
    Has anyone following this thread/argument watched "The Gruen Transfer" on the ABC?
    https://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruentransfer/
    If not, you should. It is both funny and terrifying at the same time; and shows how cleverly and amorally advertising manipulates us all into buying more 'stuff'.
    It should be down-loadable/watchable if you have a decent broadband connection (which i don't).
     
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    Dear Solaris,
    This is a good aim indeed, but it's not a plan. I would be interested in seeing you (or someone) delineate in practical terms a suitable course of action to achieve this.
     
  3. cassio

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    This is by far and large the most important thread I've ever come across in my whole life. It shouldn't be hidden here, please people DO SOMETHING!!
    Apparently it has been suggested by the author him/herself that this thread be moved to the Big Picture years ago, in fact it wasn't posted that in the first place because the section didn't even exist at that time.
    I really admire the way sushil yadav put together his thoughts here, it must have been a lot of hard work. If it is not concise (and it surely isn't), it is thourough and truly enlightening. Much of it was as if I were reading my own thoughts, maybe many people will feel that, but sushil yadav's views are very expanded, it's really impressive. After a cleanup, this could easily become the brightest essay ever!
    I think everybody in the world should make reading this whole thread a top priority! Leave all the rest to do later! Let us not be lazy, it's definitely worth it.
    I suggest the thread be moved with no delay to the Big Picture section. Otherwise, I am considering starting a new thread myself there, based on this one. This is because I think it is of the utmost importance to gather as much attention to the ideas contained here as possible. Maybe it will prompt us to take more serious, daring steps towards a decent future. This discussion is lacking, and it's badly needed. Making a swale and installing a compost toilet in our suburban homes is but a shy and hopless pseudo-step, sushil yadav's words make it very clear.

    Cassio.
     
  4. Solaris

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    I have written a manual on how to start transforming the human species...I have found many parts to the solution which I am experimenting on in my own life...very cool stuff. It works. You have to change the brain that creates the brain through a change of heart.
    Becoming sovereign requires a Whole Life Overhaul:
    Strong immune system, brain feeding, neurogenesis, transcending primate status brain damage, empowered endocrine system, sex hormone potency, balanced abundance of neurotransmitters, raw-remineralized diet, fasting, regular exercise, sunlight, sungazing, meditation/practices, dearmoring, sovereign peers, creative outlet, fun, play, humor, mindfulness, compassionate-grokking, intellectual excitement, connection with the evolutionary edge, music, arts, muse, amplified dream/vision life, healing past relationships, releasing dis-ease, will to be whole, liberation of one's energies for growth, positive constructive thinking, solutions consciousness, overcoming childlike dependencies and uncertainty, learning to parent and lovingly tend one's Self, growth of skills and inner resources, novelty and adventure, feeding one's interests, egalitarian and win/win ethos, opening the heart-prefrontal lobe connection, social reinforcement of sovereign principles and Universal Law.
     
  5. Yer need to be a bit more skeptical Michaelangelica, than ya wouldn't be falling for all them scams all the time... :grin:




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  6. Solaris

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    https://rt.com/Politics/2010-06-25/russian-soul-american-empire.html

    We have to have a foot in many worlds at present. In the old world as it crumbles, while stepping out into the new unknown. Stepping into ourselves as never before, and out into a global multificity so complex it defies description. Being human has never been easier and never been harder...such is the response-ability that arises as we forever awaken...the known falling away to reveal the mystery.
     
  7. sushil yadav

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    cassio,

    Thanks for your post.

    We are in the present mess because of all the solutions made by man in the past.

    All solutions of man have been problems in disguise - they have led to bigger and greater problems.

    Overconsumerism and overpopulation are a result of science, technology and industrialization.

    There is no future ahead if we continue with the present lifestyle - only death and destruction ahead.

    In the last 50 years a lot of efforts have been made to control population. In the absence of these efforts world population would be much greater than what it is today. These efforts should also continue in future.

    At present we are destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter and "consumer goods".

    If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter we will be more sustainable.

    If we destroy ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter we will go out of existence very soon.

    If humans had started making consumer goods like cars, computers, televisions.....thousands of years ago they would have destroyed the ecosystems thousands of years ago.

    If God had given to animals the [dis]ability to make consumer goods like cars, computers, televisions....they would have destroyed the ecosystems millions of years ago.

    We have to limit our activity to production of food, clothing, shelter.


    sushil_yadav
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  8. sushil yadav

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    For the 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

    This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

    Poison kills people.....it does'nt matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement And Concrete.

    Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years[compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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  9. Ludi

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    This is an ideal goal; I would like to see more examples of people who have successfully done so. Most of us find we still must produce an income. I would like to see more examples of people who have successfully stopped operating in the consumer society. Especially those who say we MUST end production of consumer goods IMMEDIATELY.

    I make things for a living. I am always curious to know what other people do for a living, and how they do it without participating in the consumer society.
     
  10. sushil yadav

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    Environment does'nt get saved if a few people live a simple life.....It does'nt get saved if a few thousand people live a simple life......It does'nt get saved if a few million people live a simple life.....It does'nt get saved even if a few billion people live a simple life [which is happening right now.....Out of 7 billion people roughly half, about 3.5 billion are already living a simple life in Asia, Africa and South America .......but this does'nt save the environment......because the rest 3.5 billion people all over the world are living a highly consumerist life which is enough to destroy all ecosystems.

    The entire world has to live a simple life. In animal kingdom all animals lived a simple life.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society all people lived a simple life......In Agrarian Society almost all people lived a simple life.

    In a non-industrial society simple living happens automatically....one does not have to make efforts to live a simple life. In a non-industrial society environment gets saved automatically....one does not have to make efforts to save environment.

    An Industrial Society produces thousands of consumer goods in addition to food, clothing and shelter.....therefore simple living by entire society is impossible.

    There is no industrial society which limits its activity to just food, clothing, shelter and does not produce consumer goods.

    If we compare the scale and magnitude of environmental destruction of the three human societies we have had on earth we will find :

    Hunter_Gatherer society was least destructive/ hardly caused any destruction......Agrarian Society was thousands of times more destructive.......Industrial Society is millions of times more destructive.



    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that destroy environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.


    Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population......Environment has been destroyed by population that does not produce food.

    This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food......It cannot sustain a society where 50% of world population produces food for 100% of population .......and the remaining 50% is engaged in production and marketing of Consumer Goods and Services.

    In Industrial Society a fraction of population produces Food for entire population......The rest of the population [which means most of the people living in Cities and Urban Areas] creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied.....which leads to Extra destruction of environment......which makes sustainability an impossibility.

    One profession means destruction of environment for one thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.

    Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Environment in just 250 years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research .....and lots of other work.

    Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.

    Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums, Golf Courses and other sports facilities.

    Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.

    Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.

    Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.

    Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.

    Environment has been destroyed by Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.

    Industrial Activity has destroyed Forests, Rivers and Oceans....It has produced Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste......It has killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement and concrete.

    Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years.

    Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods and Services must stop immediately.........Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.


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    There is only one cause of environmental destruction......Industrialization.

    Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are only consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.

    Overconsumerism is quite obviously a consequence of Industrialization..... Industrial consumer goods and services would not exist without Industrial Activity.

    Overpopulation is also a by-product of Industrialization. The entire world was overbreeding until the middle years of 20th century.....even Western Countries had 5 - 12 children per family[and even more].....and yet population of the world remained low before industrialization because of high death rate, lower life span and shortage of food and water. It was only 1 billion in 1800 AD. India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago, since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions. What was the population of Europe/ America/ West 2000 years ago????......Was it comparable to eastern population of India and China????

    Industrialization is the cause of overpopulation and overconsumerism.

    Moreover, Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.

    Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.

    When we talk of population we should take into account population of all animal species, not just human population.

    Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species. The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.

    Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species.....but there was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population.....and we don't even need to include smaller animals in this count.....the combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.

    The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today.......Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years......because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

    If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.

    The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future.....so where is the problem with population?????

    What is the cause of human overpopulation??????......It is Industrialization......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion today ........In the absence of Industrialization world population would only be a small fraction of 7 billion today.

    It is not population that destroys environment......It is lifestyle.......The combined population of millions of animal species was much greater than present human population.......and yet they did not destroy environment for millions of years because they destroyed environment only for Food.......not for Thousands of Consumer Goods.

    The cause of Environmental Destruction is Industrialization / Consumerism.........Not population / overpopulation.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would not destroy environment [And a Hunter_Gatherer Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

    An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would cause much lesser environmental destruction than an Industrial Society of 7 billion [And an Agrarian Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

    Industrialization is the cause of Human Overpopulation and Overconsumerism

    It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation......It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.

    Height of Insanity!

    Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.


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  12. Ludi

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    Can you tell me what you do for a living, sushil? Thanks. :) What I'm interested in are examples of people who preach these ideals who have successfully freed themselves from industrial society. Because it will not happen all at once, it can only happen individual by individual or small group by small group. What I think is useful is not preaching, but real life examples.
     
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    You don't understand the issue.....You are running around in circles.

    But since you keep insisting let me tell you.....I have not earned a single penny in the last 20 years.


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  14. Ludi

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    Never mind, you don't understand in your own way either.
     
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    There are multiple causes of environmental destruction, not all deal with Industrialization. Volcanoes, tsunami, earthquakes cause massive amounts of environmental issues that have nothing to do with Industrialization. However, I do see where you are coming from and I disagree.

    It's about availability, not industrialization. Industrialization can be done in a green manner that does not harm the environment. One example would be paper making. It doesn't NEED chemicals, but people use them to make things easier, and that is because it is available.

    Metropolises world wide have massive inroads be they via water or physical roads, just like ancient Rome did that allow massive amounts of disposable items to patrons and dwellers of those cities. Using ancient Rome again as the example, the only reason it did so well is because of the high availability of wheat & water.

    So I disagree with your premise entirely because we all have the free will to choose a simple easy path, or one that isn't easier but has more tangible rewards then $
     
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    are we or are we not all using consumer goods computors etc somebody made these and mined and processed the raw materials so WE ARE ALL PART OF THE PROBLEM.
     
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    Agreed, well said.
     
  18. sushil yadav

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    Industrial Society is a lunatic society that is trying to save environment not by stopping Industrial Activity but by changing the technology.

    Bring this technology, Bring that technology..........Bring this technology, Bring that technology.

    A man is shooting someone with a gun........Some people are trying to save the victim.......They plead with the man asking him to save the victim by stopping the shooting.

    The man says.....Don't worry......I will save him by changing technology......He replaces the old gun with a new one ........And continues to shoot.

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    Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity........Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ......

    Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.

    Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.

    Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.

    Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality.......You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.

    Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years........It has been destroying environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    You cannot save a person after killing him.......You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.

    The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

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    There is only one cause of environmental destruction.......Industrialization.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.......The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food.

    An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment [compared to an Industrial Society of 7 billion]...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society of 7 billion has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after industrialization because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion.

    An Agrarian Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion.

    World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

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    For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

    This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

    Poison kills people.....it doesn't matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems......Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

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    Discussion cannot save environment........Money cannot save environment......Technology cannot save environment......Environmental Organizations cannot save environment.......Activism cannot save environment.

    Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

    Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ........They had no money.

    Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with modern technology........They had no modern technology......It was absence of modern technology that saved environment in pre-industrial societies........Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.

    Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or Activism........They had no environmental organizations.

    Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of years.......Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment during a million years of existence......Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of 10,000 years.

    There is only one way to save environment.......Destroy less......Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.

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    Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest terrorists on earth.......Millions of times bigger terrorists than Taliban and Al Qaeda.

    Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda

    No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire planet......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans......It was Industrial Fishing.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars.......It was Military Industrial Complex.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

    For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.......Animals destroyed environment for food......Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for food......Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

    Development is Destruction........Development is Destruction.

    "Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
    These are figures of "Ecocide".
    These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

    Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.


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    Environment has been destroyed by Cities.......Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers.........City People are doing extra work which has led to exponential "extra destruction of environment".......... Urban Dwellers are the destroyers of Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

    For millions of years "searching for food" / “producing food” were the primary activities of animal species, hunter_gatherer society and agrarian society.........and that is why they sustained for millions of years because they destroyed very little environment compared to Industrial Society.......For millions of years the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.

    In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for 100% of population and the remaining 50% living in cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of "thousands of consumer goods and services".

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population exists in this world.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is promoting Industrial Activity.

    Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Most of the people who do not produce food are engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    Most of the urban population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    In America 90 - 95% of population is urban......In Europe 80 – 90% of population is urban......this is why consumerism is so rampant in US and West.

    World wide the percentage of urban population is about 50%.......If the entire world is made communist or socialist it is not going to stop/ reduce consumerism as long as the percentage of urban population remains the same.

    As long as Urban Population exists all Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand........ Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling Industry, Oil Refining Industry, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.....all these Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand.

    This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

    This planet cannot sustain Urban population.

    Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population......Environment has been destroyed primarily by population that does not produce food.

    This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.

    One profession means destruction of environment for one thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.

    Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it has destroyed environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter".

    The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research .....and lots of other work.

    Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.

    Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums.

    Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.

    Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.

    Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.

    Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.

    Food, clothing and shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.

    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.


    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
     
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    Pak, I think industrialisation refers to the mechanisation of society that's happened in the last few hundred years (the industrial revolution). It's dependant on fossil fuels and slave labour, and as such it's not sustainable (and while I haven't read the last long posts by sushil, I do tend to agree that that it damages mind and environment). That's different than technology eg making paper. It's pretty hard to see how paper making can be done industrially without damaging the environment.
     

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