Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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    This should be in "The REALLY Big Picture" forum...
     
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    Hi all, first post, sorry it isn't a happier one, but this thread reminded me of this article.

    Energy and Human Evolution
    https://dieoff.org/page137.htm
    a 54 min. video
    https://www.deadsociety.org/


    towards a sustainable universe....(hope we don't have to join the thylacine and do-do to accomplish it.)
     
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    alll I can say, as a stranger, is YUP! and mighty! Believe in yourself .. peace be with you..........and, all that..........because
     
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    I want to thank Tezza, caldera, christopher, Ojo and hoss sense for their comments on the topic.


    Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference?

    Industrial Society is insane.



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    Wow you've really put a lot of thought into this. Not sure how I feel about it though.
     
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    Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

    Non-industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.
    Industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter plus thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.

    Industrial society destroys necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

    Non-industrial societies have sustained on earth for thousands of years.
    Industrial society has destroyed all ecosystems within 200 - 250 years.


    Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP.

    These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".



    Destroy consumerism......before it is too late.

    Destroy Industrial Society.

    Just do it.



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  8. stella

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    This is a most crucial subject for permaculture designers to consider, so thanks for raising it.

    How can we hope to create sustainable (rational) systems, without understanding what makes humans so irrational?

    Good scientific perma-dialogue about mind models here: https://passionatedialogue.pbwiki.com/Art10

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    Thanks for the link Stella. -great stuff!
     
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    Stella,

    Thanks for your post. Here is the biggest example of human irrationality.



    A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.

    Some people are trying to save the victim.

    The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack – you prevent the attack.

    What these insane people do - they allow the attack to be continued. They don’t stop it -- they don’t prevent it.

    Instead, what they do - They say we are going to save the victim by using technology - the best technology - the best medical care.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.


    They give the victim the best technology - the best medical care.
    In the meantime the stabbing continues – every hour – even while the best medical care is being given.

    One can imagine the fate of the victim.



    Ecosystems are getting destroyed due to production of consumer goods.

    Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

    Industrial society is destroying necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

    The sane way of saving ecosystems is - you stop production of consumer goods - you reduce production of consumer goods to the minimum level.

    But the insane Industrial Society continues producing consumer goods [ in fact production is being increased every day]

    The insane response of Industrial Society is - We will save the environment with technology - the best technology.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.


    In the meantime production of consumer goods continues - 3 billion people living in cities are continuously engaged in - making , buying and selling of consumer goods - killing the ecosystems moment by moment.

    One can imagine the fate of environment.


    Height of Insanity.......Height of Abnormality.

    Destroy Industrial Society.....before it is too late.
    Destroy consumerism..... before it is too late.



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    Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

    It is highly amazing that people have taken for granted a lifestyle that has barely existed for 50 - 100 years.

    People started thinking "this is the way to live".

    This is not the way to live - This is the way to die.

    Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things[animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things[consumer goods].

    People who are going for infinite growth and development on a small planet [whose circumference is just 40,000 km] are insane, abnormal and criminal.


    In the context of Industrial Society someone has said :

    "It is like adding extra floors to your building by removing bricks from the lower floor/ foundation."



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    When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.
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    Well, today's society doesn't say a lot about the quality of all that thinking, does it? Personally, I do most of my deep thinking while mucking about in the garden, doing physical work.

    When I had a 'thinking' desk job, working for private industry , I had to waste all that thinking power on work. Admittedly, the work was useful: we were library suppliers, arranging serial (journal) supply to libraries, and thus disseminating important information, but it was still all for someone else's profit.And when the profits proved insubstantial, the new owners closed the place down and asset-stripped it, throwing 50 people out of work.

    All that 'thinking' didn't save me from unemployment, but growing my own food, learning how to keep an ecological balance around me, and doing all the associated hard physical work certainly saved me from being useless.
     
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    Exactly - "Be the change that you wish to see in the world"...
     
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    JoanVL,

    Work has destroyed ecosystems.

    Work has become a source of destruction in Industrial Society.

    On a small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Most of the 3 billion people living in cities - 50% of world population - are engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    It is very important to understand the reasons for doing work.

    Why do we work?

    It is generally thought that people work because - they are smart, intelligent and hardworking. People work in order to feed themselves and their families.

    Above reasons are totally wrong.

    In the East sages had discovered thousands of years ago that people cannot stop working. People work because they cannot stop working.

    Anyone who wants proof of this can try the following. Take leave from work for 10 days. Try to sleep continuously. Try to indulge in pleasure/ entertainment continuously. Try to relax continuously.

    The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

    Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

    All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

    When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

    When we stop physical work and mental work, the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

    There is no higher purpose behind work.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People do not work for their family.
    People do not work for their nation.
    People do not work for any reason.

    People work because they cannot stop working.

    It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

    In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort. A large number of people in the east have tried to do this but very few have succeeded - maybe a few hundred or a few thousand in the entire history. Stopping work is not an option for most people living in this world.

    Today 50% of world population - 3 billion people are living in cities. These people cannot do farming in cities. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things - leading to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

    Our small planet which is only 40,000 km in circumference cannot sustain a city-based industrial society.

    A city-based industrial society destroys necessary things for making unnecessary things.

    A city-based industrial society destroys animals, trees, air, water and land for making consumer goods.

    In a city-based industrial society work turns into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Such a society ends up destroying the ecosystems - the very things that have created and sustained life on earth.



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    Nature is bad

    That's right, hippies, nature is bad. Nature is survival of the fittest, exploitation of the weak, dog eat dog, disease, poison and parasites. Everywhere in nature you have one organism, plant, animal or microbe, trying to shit on another organism. Organisms of the same species fight to become top dog only to pass their genes onto the next generation. Predators eat prey, who need predators to control their numbers to prevent overpopulation which would use up all of the prey's food supply.

    Its man's mission on earth to conquer and control nature. Nature, alone, has no purpose. Now that man has arrived on earth, it is nature's purpose to serve mankind. Of course, it might be desirable to have some reasonable amount of conservation so nature can provide for man's needs long term. The most morally upright of mankind reduce the suffering of his fellow man by inventing and providing labor saving devices and other technology. To run the labor saving devices and provide synthetic materials of at least equal or better worth than natural materials, man has learned to use fossil fuels, such as oil, natural gas and coal. The companies and those working in those industries that provide these products are some of the most righteous people on earth as are the farmers who provide food for mankind. If it wasn't for synthetic chemistry, it would be impossible to provide enough food for the human race today.

    The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.

    A number of deviant individuals oppose man's true nature as discussed here by opposing capitalism and setting up scams where these individuals pretend to be environmentalists with little or no knowledge of science. Many may have tried to get a traditional scientific education only to drop out and become involved with a leftist scam outfit.
    These people, especially, the fake environmentalists are in league with the devil. These deviants insist man is evil and claim he only exploits and damages the earth.

    The deviants speak with a religious fervor and provide tainted evidence and pseudoscience and claim mankind is creating a catastrophy in order to encourage people to join their suicide pact. These left leaning deviants have failed in a fair capitalist system because of their sociopathic incompetence and want to destroy it and all those who are part of it.

    The greatest evil they have concocted is the man made global warming scam where they try to blame all bad things that happen today on an alleged global warming caused by mankind's use of fossil fuels.


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    This book says it all. The leftists fake environmentalism is worse than communism and Al Qaeda combined.

    https://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incor ... GP0WTPX6Z4

    Product Description
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    From the Inside Flap
    "Global warming":
    the Left's last best chance to gain a stranglehold on our political system and economy

    For decades, environmentalism has been the Left's best excuse for increasing government control over our actions in ways both large and small. It's for Mother Earth! It's for the children! It's for the whales! But until now, the doomsday-scenario environmental scares they've trumped up haven't been large enough to justify the lifestyle restrictions they want to impose. With global warming, however, greenhouse gasbags can argue that auto emissions in Ohio threaten people in Paris, and that only "global governance" (Jacques Chirac's words) can tackle such problems.

    Now, in The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Global Warming and Environmentalism, Christopher C. Horner tears the cover off the Left's manipulation of environmental issues for political purposes--and lays out incontrovertible evidence for the fact that catastrophic man-made global warming is just more Chicken-Little hysteria, not actual science. He explains why, although Al Gore and his cronies among the media elites and UN globalists endlessly bleat that "global warming" is an unprecedented global crisis, they really think of it as a dream come true. It's the ideal scare campaign for those who hate capitalism and love big government. For, as Horner explains, if global warming really were as bad as the Leftist doomsayers insist it is, then no policy imaginable could "solve" it. According to the logic of the greens' own numbers, no matter how much we sacrifice there would still be more to do. That makes global warming the bottomless well of excuses for the relentless growth of big government.

    Horner (an attorney and senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute) reveals the full anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-human agenda of today's environmentalists, dubbing them "green on the outside, red to the core." He details how they use strong-arm legal tactics--and worse--against those who dare to point out the weakness of their arguments for global warming. Along the way, he explodes ten top global warming myths, carefully examining the evidence to determine how much warming there really is and what is actually causing it. He exposes the lies that the environmental lobby routinely tells to make its case; the ways in which it is trying to impose initiatives such as the Kyoto Protocol on an unwilling American public; and much more--including the green lobby's favorite politicians (John Kerry, John McCain, Joe Lieberman, and others).

    It's time to stand up to the environmentalist industry and insist: human beings are not the enemy. In breezy, light-hearted, and always entertaining fashion, The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Global Warming and Environmentalism gives you the facts you need to do so.
     
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    The Metaphysics and Some Politics of Global Warming
    Regarding Bret Stephens's "Global Warming as Mass Neurosis" (Global View, July 1): In 1992, at my 25th Harvard College reunion, we got an accurate forecast of the "ideological convenience" driving global warming alarmism. In a discussion of the Rio Summit on environment and development, one of my classmates effused, "Who would have thought that the environment would bring us world government?" In other words, the advent of world-wide "pollution" controls will lead to world government (which all of us statist Harvard grads eagerly await).

    On the other hand, climatologist Patrick Michaels has noted that we merely need to "follow the money" to explain global warming enthusiasm among scientists and academicians: Huge amounts of taxpayer dollars are running down the drain of climate research, and the people raking in the bucks are the same ones spouting the global warming nonsense.

    Grant W. Schaumburg Jr.
    Boston

    Here are the global warming movement's cultic parallels, many of whose characteristics can be found in Walter Martin and Ravi Zacharias's famous 2003 book, "The Kingdom of the Cults":

    (1) Leadership by a New Age prophet -- in this case, former Vice President Al Gore.

    (2) Assertion of an apocalyptic threat to all mankind.

    (3) An absolutist definition of both the threat and the proposed solution(s).

    (4) Promise of a salvation from this pending apocalypse.

    (5) Devotion to an inspired text which embodies all the answers -- in this case Mr. Gore's pseudo-scientific book "Earth in the Balance" and his new "An Inconvenient Truth" documentary.

    (6) A specific list of "truths" which must be embraced and proselytized by all cult members.

    (7) An absolute intolerance of any deviation from any of these truths by any cult member.

    (8) A strident intolerance of any outside criticism of the cult's definition of the problem or of its proposed solutions.

    (9) A "heaven-on-earth" vision of the results of the mission's success or a "hell-on-earth" result if the cultic mission should fail.

    (10) An inordinate fear (and an outright rejection of the possibility) of being proven wrong in either the apocalyptic vision or the proposed salvation.

    Finally, since this cultic juggernaut has persuaded (brainwashed?) a majority of Americans into at least a temporary mindset of support for its pseudo-religious scam, Mr. Stephens's label of "mass neurosis" seems frighteningly accurate.

    Jim Guirard
    Alexandria, Va


    https://online.wsj.com/public/page/letters.html
     
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    Inhofe Report Exposes Environmental Groups as ‘Massive Democratic Political Machines’
    September 25, 2008
    https://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... e55e0cc516


     
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