Well I got to meet Jacki T today, thanks Jacki for all the info and sorry I got so excited with your knowledge and showing you around our place, that I forgot to offer you that cup of tea. I will make up for it next time. The typical mid west WA weather was in fine form with the south easterly blowing my hat off every 5 mins and the temps quite high. Its great to be able to learn from an experienced permie person (as Im a big learner), and especially from someone who is experiencing the same weather and drought conditions. THANKS Jacki. I cant wait to have stuff to share back with you. Neisha (Marlo).