Not sure where this should go so its here. Move it if you want. I just was reminded about the permaculture survey thing. I havne't done a course. But anyway while reading about that, it occurred to me - the obvious thing occurred to me - that the permaculture movement would be MUCH more successful if you could find a way to teach people for free. I think the way to do this is to adopt the business model of religion. The cost of courses is prohibitive to many including myself so I choose to glean what i can from books. I don't think that permaculture should be an exclusive club. I think on the ground communities should be encouraged the most. But from what i can see it seems to be part of the money economy too. It would be better if people did not try to make a living from teaching permaculture to other ordinary citizens keen to learn the skills by asking for high fees. But to make money from bigger organisations once you've done so many years of permaculture practice. I know that there is no reason anyone should take any notice of me since i haven't done the course. But i don't think it will ever become a widespread thing the way its going. I mean look at religion. Its free. People are free to donate to the preacher. That's how the churches can rise or fall. If people had to do a course for religion, it wouldn't be so big (where it is big that is). It just wouldn't. So i think you should model your expansion on the business model that churches use. This goes for ashrams as well as christian churches. You need people beating out the messages in weekly sermons or something of that sort. And yes this happens in ashrams too. But for heavens sakes, apart from a business model, don't try turn it into a religion or spiritual movement - although some people probably already think it is that. The best thing about permaculture is the growing of food so sight should never be lost on that. This post is a bit disjointed. Excuse me. I hope you can get the main point anyway.