I agree NJ. I'm actually pretty supportive of vegetarianism and remember what it was like living in a conservative community when I was a veg and having to justify myself all the time. I think for instance that having vegetarian meals at events makes alot of sense - everyone can eat vegetarian (as long as there are some vegan options) and it leaves the responsibility of taking an animal's life with the individual. One of the big issues for me in eating out is that I have much less control over eating ethically with regards to meat. Often I tell people I am mostly vegetarian so that I don't have to eat factory chicken or pork or whatever. I'm lucky in that now most people I eat with are also ethical eaters. I'm having a go at Nickolas not because he's veg, but because he's being a dick.