There is a huge difference between 1 and 2. Point 2 is what the CSIRO and all the peer reviewed scientist believe is the major driver of climate change. They believe that CO2 emissions have driven the warming we are seeing and that the effects of nature and other influences of man are minor. They believe that if we cut CO2 then all the warming will stop and reverse. They are not claiming that mans activities are destroying the earth they are claiming that mans CO2 emissions are destroying the world. There is a major difference between point 1 and 2. The difference between a believer and a sceptic is one believes mans CO2 is the problem while the sceptic believes man is the problem irrelevant of the CO2 produced. Why would I disagree with you, you obviously didn’t read my post. Society in its current structure is unsustainable and solutions need to be created to deal with this problem. The issue is if you believe what the CSIRO, The BOM, Al Gore and the peer reviewed scientists tell us we only need to stop CO2 to stop the warming. Nothing else will mean anything we could undertake as much permaculture as we like but if our CO2 emissions still stay high we will destroy the earth. Point 1 means we need to change our lives and become sustainable in what we do, it means reducing our use of resources and looking at ways to live a better life. Point 2 enables us to stay consumers we can keep our current lives, we just need to become consumers of a new commodity, the carbon offset and the consumer of an ETS. Under point 2 we could plant millions of acres of trees to offset our carbon emission from the city, we could turn deserts into ethanol farms and pump huge amounts of water to them by the use of wind farms. We can keep consuming as all we need to do is consume a couple of carbon offsets to make us neutral. There is a huge difference between points 1 and 2. To believe is point 1 and believe that we need to save the earth from what man is doing but not to believe CO2 is the issue you are called a denier or a sceptic. But if believe only point 2 and feel that carbon offset will save the world you are a believer.