Greatings Everybody Especially to Tam and Chris, for encouraging me to keep posting....... First of all.Id like to explain why/where i been for last 10 days.. Well you could say that id thrown in my permie towel in here, as id got bored,fed up, angry, dissalusioned,etc etc etc...First off i was away for few days in perth family buisness..then when i got back last monday,i opened up the BB to catch up with everyone like per normal....This time i felt different, as i felt like an outsider......People were swearing, arguing telling to drop dead etc etc I thought id opened up the wrong board..lol.I got depressed with what i was reading,i got angry at what i was reading,i got sad at what i was reading. I was getting depressed reading the board......Ijust wasnt interested anymore.I was still a permie and will never give it away,but this permie board wasnt what i wanted,it seamed to taken over by aliens, I was tempted to interject on lotsa posts to plead for sanity,or to tell people what i really thought about them.i was prepared to just forget it and go elsewhere,was even tempted to throw the computer away.... id pop in once a day instead of my normal 30 times.to check on everyone here,and got more upset as i read more posts. Some posts were very interesting and Informative. and the rest,.....well ill let u decide how we all felt.as one after another my freinds have been leaving. Ive spent all day wanting to post in responce to Tam and chris's post and pvt respetcively...thankyou tam for your enquiry about my absence. and to you too chris for your enquirees.....here i am lolol... What is happening to this great BB.Its gone from boring to brilliant in 5 months ,then brilliant to absolute crap allmost in les then a month..... Why/what has happened,even the more placid people in here,Like my mate joel,have had to defend themselves in the face of critsism... Ive read where people were told to drop dead even..... To think.. i felt badly when i was having my bad hair days......AND hope that those people who may of felt insulted by my "words" will now see me for what i said i was.. instead, of as, some where saying i was... This is by no means an attack on anyone who i may of personally fell out with as it is not that......ok... I could type all afternoon if i wanted to going through all or most scenarious,but I want to be Possitive to you my freinds not a condesnding sort of type like some posters have become....I can behave this way if wanted ,but i beleive im above this nonsence...... This board has completly changed in my mind from as little as 4 months,ago. even more in the last month...This board was a showcase for the world.... It was a shining light for those in the darkness, it was a way forwards for new, and old hands alike, to learn more about Permaculture. I know i may not be perfect and i accept the blame for some of this shit. But im not taking it all....I been comming to this board for allmost 2 years My number is 85 out of a population of over 900.By that i think,like most that this board is allmost mine (mind only).There is no one before my number who still visits in here so being the guy i am i felt i should try to keep it going,by asking and answering peoples questions,and giving my version of what/how i think a problem can be solved.. What upset me was the fact that others just like me who had been around doing all the permie learning off our own backs without BB or courses,or detailed answers to hard questions..where In our Own Time sitting here thinking and trying to answer peoples little/and big questions. Then wondering wheather it was worth the effort to type single digitly an answer that could take an hour to answer and type out was being ignored by some ungratefull..I was sick of people arguing on the subject matter of the board,who had only just joining the BB..HOW dare some people... I beleive in free speach,but heck,you dont just waltz into somewhere and start dictating what/which/where/why/whatever that goes on on this BB.. Unless of course you want a pvt message of me explaining this too you.. (i think you know who i mean)... This is a PERMACULTURE BB board not an open slather chat room... The average Permie comes here cause he dont wanna hear/read about certain proceedures,pushed by certain groups..All thogh this board/Permaculture is a open board.it doesnt give people the right to come in here crapping on about something that no one really wants to talk about,,,so why do people persist in crapping on even after told/asked to stop..I say if you wanna talk herbicides,insectisides in Possitive terms you go elsewhere,where others may like talking about such subjects..If you dont like the flack from Permies about your choice of subject......Id have to wonder about a persons credability,and brain power if they stillwant to argue about it still.....Ok we all got a bit of shit stirrer in us but comone. Dont stamp your feet and threaten to take your ball home.Thats what kids do.....Sounds like you need a good bottom smacking..... Being A bit of a Dummie I hate clever people who use big words or clever wording to get around their insecurities.If ya cant speak plain English go find a university BB and argue there..... Talking in fancy large lettered words dont give you credability in my book talking sence and being human enough to have empathy with others is what i/we want ..not essays that only english proffesors understand.... Or is this part of the Im smarter then you Syndrome.Or my dicks bigger then yours syndrome..... As the Longest serving reguler poster....Im pleading with you all to stop this childish behavior and lets talk Permaculture...... Lets all get back together as a happy extended Permaculture Family instead of all this crap ,fighting,name calling insulting behavior...OK If you Dont Ill be sending some pvt messages out to you........ Have a nice day......... Ps hello Francyne........would u like a slice of nice blackberry pie? Tezza..