Floot, this is so brilliant for me having someone with local knowledge who's been there done that. I get so much negative input from people who say it can't be done because the insects get everything. I suspect they may have used traditional methods/insecticides and upset the natural balance too much? To get this sort of input on a permie site is just great. I have planted a few vegies on the new place and they get much less insect attack than at Humpty Doo which is as you may know is almost suburban these days. Umm, sorry everyone else if we are getting a bit off the subject here.