Re: glyphosate use in a permaculture environment... I agree. Very well said christopher. This is the longest of the current threads by a long shot. Why is that? I think there is a place sometimes for permies to talk about round-up (eg can it ever be used in a pc situation?), but I agree with christopher that these long, drawn out debates are sucking up valuable resources. I'd love for the amount of energy that's going into this thread to be going into welcoming new members, helping people with design problems, and taking a proactive (rather than reactive) approach to posts. I understand how easy it is to get into these polarised conversations (done that many times myself) but I do think it's good to look at: is this the best use of our time and this forum?