Geoengineering consists of methods to control the weather. Ordinary contrails do not hover in the sky for hours, or appear in X patterns in the sky. Chemtrails, as they are called, do. The evidence is mounting in regards to chemtrails. Take a look at the evidence below before allowing the mockers to sway your thinking. For lots of evidence, including patents that describe the process, check out this site. https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ This is a very good documentary on the subject titled, Why in the World are They Spraying? The main focus of this documentary is the effects on agriculture. https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/world-spraying/
While we're on the subject of comedy ... https://www.alternet.org/education/human-stupidity-destroying-world Really Roy, "chemtrails" on a Permaculture forum???
And that article is supposed to mean something? I must be imagining the "contrails" that are routinely in X patterns as they spread out across the sky. I have lived near some large cities for years, including New York City, and I never saw that in the 80's and early 90's. I repeat, why don't you look at the evidence before you deny it? Why don't you read some of the patents? The last time I checked, the weather affects permaculture too. Here are the imaginary patents I've mentioned. https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/
This is another good documentary about Geoengineering. Feel free to discredit the details of it, along with the first documentary I linked to above, with specific details, not generalized statements with nothing to back them up with but ridicule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGAJ7q40NWs
g'day roy, the jury is out on the contrail thingy as jets or high flying planes traveling in no matter which direction create vapour trails if there si moisture up in the jet stream area, now could they be other yes possibly those in charge might do anything, to effect our lives for their gain. as for controlling weather mmm dunno there is (be called a conspiracy theorist for even saying this) HAARP our recent weather extremes for want of a better word are simply that 'extremes', so what if records are being re-set, we have no idea beyond about 200 years of what may have happened? they tell us there was an ice age so quiet possible there was the direct opposite. in the viking days iceland grew salad crops and grazed food animals, now they are back to that age. what goes round comes round, the sciences evolved out of the ranks of the sages and seers of mythology. the only thing wrong to cause weather issues the moguls and their wealthy friends have ruined our habitat. for vapour trails we only see them when moisture is present in the jet stream areas, would suggest if the gov' is doing something then we would not see it. back in WW2 the yanks went to great lengths to stop those vapour trails revealing their b52 bombers to the enemy. remember at school in early 50's a canberra jet pilot flew high over brisbane all we could see was the jet stream, front page on the telegraph that night, no TV then. what we need to do is stop this climate change lunacy, it has no foundation in reality and no realistic evidence. len
yeh!b i saw that grahame, replant the mallee and other habitats, mans' greed causes those things like willy willies clearing bush causes it. but yes new to your area but not up here, we get them from time to time, the manifestation of extreme events caused by greed, and punishing the poor. our prayers for those people down that way, the country is in a proverbial mess hey? still repairing flood damage all the way up this way some from floods and cyclones within the past decade, people nowhere to live given temp accom' van parking in local show grounds then locked out with nowhere to go great hey? anyhow last forecast was for bad storms in sth/w nsw, they did forecast rain up our way but it has all fizzled as one news anchor said she wanted this nasty rain gone, anyhow met' science just as pagan as the others. wasting money with the boys firing off their pop guns down the bay way when money needed for humanitarian reasons, oh! for those following the CO2 myth' a reality check people in mid- east send kids to school and have no idea if that is the day their school is plastered go to sleep at night not sure they will see sunrise and we are what? chasing some furphy making like more anti humanitarian over here, we need to get real. so come on people first hey not ego. len
https://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/ and other handy things to learn about contrails.
This is a good interview with Kristen Meghan, a former Air Force Industrial Hygienist. As she explains it, at first she did not believe that chemtrails were real. Then, after looking deeper into the subject, she changed her mind. And finally, she realized that she was actually working at one of the bases that was part of the spraying program! You see, even someone who was working at one of the bases was unaware of the program. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjnf-r5y5p4 I heard the guy from GeoEngineering Watch on a radio program about a week ago and he said that in Australia there have been some bad droughts recently, and the farmers had to sell their land for pennies on the dollar. Some large companies swooped in and bought it up. According to his research this is part of the plan to gain control of the food supply globally, and they're (the elites) using weather modification to accomplish it (among other methods). Did you know that E. L. Rothschild just bought Weather Central, LP, "the largest and most recognized weather modeling organization." If you know anything about the Rothschild's you'll know that this is very significant. Here is the story. https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/rothschilds-and-the-geoengineering-empire/ The more aware people among us are the ones who know that conspiracies can be found practically around every corner. Those who think that is paranoia or stupidity are the ones who are uninformed. I wish it weren't so, but it really is our true reality.
While on topic of dramatic comedy. [video]https://youtu.be/HiuV8vF8K_s[/video] BTW, nice link Gandalf.
yes roy, australia the land of flooding rains and droughts, like the US in lots of ways, there was a doco' going around over here(must be sure to see online) about the dust bowl periods in the US. all our adverse climate issues are purely related to the decimation of habitat, wonder were there these same disastrous droughts before settlement? we've had 3 or 4 years of good rain in teh east here, ending our 10-15 year drought where the officials (fabricating as they do so well) told us our dams were empty so they need to create water from sewerage to fill them, and wasted big bucks building sea water converters that failed, this is the results of following mythology ideas. even waste 9billion on developing clean burn coal tech' to sell to the chinese(for their new 300 or so power stations) but as there was no signatory, the chinese developed their own. oh! no one get carried away about chinese muttering to lesson their smog, won't happen. so anyway back to droughts here in aus', i'm a family historian running a rather large family tree, and back in around the 1860(not a whiff of CO2 climate change) in the brissy valley murgon way a drought so bad that yound farmer disposed of himself and his wife and 3 kids, terrible to feel so desperate, farmers now get handouts for droughts, fires and floods, others have to tough it out. so while i agree chem trails could be reality and what you said about that woman working on a base, what would be needed is someone who actually can say they load the planes and what planes they load. yes control is the agenda of the world order, floods stop food from being grown just as much as droughts and fires. you will have to dig deep to find humanitarian care around here. remember charity begins at home. len
That is an excellent website, full of links to credible scientific outcomes. However, much of the same is beyond the average person's level of comprehension. As such, I find the following resource (produced by NASA, and targeting school teachers/kids) provides non-climatologists (such as myself) with ample information: https://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/
Aluminum, barium and strontium are being found in water samples in very high concentrations all over the world. This is discussed in the documentaries, What in the World are They Spraying?, and Why in the World are they Spraying?. These metals are specifically mentioned in certain geoengineering patents. Monsanto and others (the USDA included) are getting patents for heavy metal resistance in plants, such as aluminum. What are the odds of this being a coincidence? Do you have a better explanation for the high concentrations of these metals in water samples? https://farmwars.info/?p=7760
OK, I just want to make it clear I do not think there is a conspiracy here. but for the sake of discussion lets just assume for a moment that some conspiracy is happening and 'they' are controlling the weather. So what? Surely our response as 'permaculturists' is the same? It would be only one of many things that 'the state' does that is not in the interests of the planet and it's inhabitants. It is just another symptom. So tell me Roy, what is the point of your posts? What do you hope to achieve by discussing it here? I don't understand it's relevance to permaculture. Lets assume there is a conspiracy to control the weather and thus land ownership. What do you propose to DO about it? What are you asking the people here to do about it?
You are right, and both the US & Canadian goverments already admit they are. Calgary hail shrunk by cloud-seeding planes Insurance companies hire weather modification company to minimize damage https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2010/07/14/calgary-hail-storm-cloud-seeding-planes.html The US has been doing it over Canadian airspace since the PDM was first written. Also, I believe you are right Grahme re:
