Fracking-- just when you get your head around one environmental disaster. . .

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  1. Michaelangelica

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    Thanks for the posting. I got to see it last night and it looks likethey have taken the business modelright from America as far as bypassing environmental Protocol's, farmers rights and community concerns.
    I wonder if this could be worse than Americas problems as we depend so much on our groundwater?
    We can sign up to https://suggest.getup.org.au/forums...gas-in-farm-land-until-all-environm?ref=title to help fund a wider awareness program.
    https://agroinnovations.com/index.p...s/2010/03/episode-83-the-landman-report-card/ gives some ideas to what america has started to raise accountability.
     
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    Oh yeah, i know what you mean. I saw the show too and it was quite alarming. Not long ago some one wanted me to sign a petition against the gas drilling and i didn't have a clue what it was about. I am glad i watched this show now as it seems like a pretty important issue down there. If it was me though and I was that woman bee keeper, i wouldn't be hanging around while those people just walk all over you.
     
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    Some more sensationalism for you - https://www.gasland.com.au/ Documnetry about the "Gas rush" desending on Australia.

    I know someone who works for one of these CSG companies. It is one of the most environmentally responsible companies going around. Guys dont believe everything you read. and remember this is not the USA, we have different laws. these companies aren't allowed to get away with the same things here.

    Here is a response to the film - https://www.bowenergy.com.au/downloads/csg_fact_sheets/APPEA CSG fact sheets_Gasland.pdf

    Not saying that i want them fracking anywhere near my joint, just presenting an alternate point of view.
     
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    thanks
    Abernethy Stanley
    I am not sure the Government (at least in NSW) is on top of what is going on at all
    https://www.abc.net.au/rural/nsw/content/2011/02/s3129246.htm
    https://www.abc.net.au/rural/resource/stories/s3129254.htm

    the 4-corners report talked of 23 chemicals being used none of which have been though any environmental testing.
    The Great Artesian Basin on one mother of a big pond. The 4- Corners report said it could take a 1,000 years to follow the chemicals used though the system.
    i just wonder if everyone is just jumping on this bandwagon with not enough thought and study of possible consequences. The companies certainly don't seem to be winning any hearts with the locals as you generally do when new work/wealth producing enterprises turn up in town.

    This(below) is not the impression I get when I see reports comming out of USA
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/27/3122949.htm

    You used to be able to take out mining rights on your own property. Anyone know if you can still do this?
     
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    The following came across my desk today for anyone interested-

     
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    Having worked in the Oil Industry offshore as a Mud-logger for 3yrs, and living in Louisiana wth having to deal with the BP Oil drama, I say with every bit of seriousness "Do whatever it takes to keep the drilling industry out of your backyard." It is terrible on the environment. I've seen so many disregards for the environment and cover ups. I tear up when thinking about all the crap that went on. The money is ridiculously good but my conscious made me quit the Industry.
     
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    Thanks Abernethy Stanley
     
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    Gas rush
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    Beneath the rich farming soils of the Darling Downs there's a gaseous gold mine. Mobile drilling rigs dot the landscape as energy companies rush to secure the next big export contracts - for natural gas. It's cheaper and cleaner than oil and looks set to supersede coal for making electricity. But farmers fear it will contaminate an even more valuable resource - water. Reporter, Ian Townsend.

    TRANSCRIPT

    Ian Townsend: Hello, welcome to Background Briefing. I'm Ian Townsend.

    In the past few years, the world's biggest energy companies have forked out $20-billion for a stake in the natural gas locked up in coal seams beneath Queensland.

    So much gas has now been found across the country that Australia's being compared with Russia and Qatar, as one of the world's biggest sources of natural gas, or methane. There's now a rush to sell this methane.

    It's an economic bonanza, but it's pitting two of Australia's biggest industries against each other. The miners are after the gas, but the farmers say there's a more important resource at stake: water.
    https://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/stories/2010/2927413.htm
     
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    Further to our email of 23 February, an online discussion forum about the NSW Coal and Gas Strategy is now open. The forum provides a user-friendly platform for people to make and review comments about the key issues raised in the scoping paper. The forum was launched yesterday, 3 March, and is available until Friday 15 April.



    The forum can be accessed from: https://www.nsw.gov.au/shapeyourstate

    Liam McKay

    Director

    Community and Stakeholder Engagement
     
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    Those of us living in Gippsland Victoria are also being confronted with a lack of due process when it comes to the operation of mining companies:

    "Phil Piper got worried yesterday, and with good reason. The president of the Mirboo North Landcare group discovered, via The Age, that his small property in the rolling hills of South Gippsland had been pegged as a potential future coal mine. And not just any old coal mine. In January, a Western Australian company, Mantle Mining, applied for a licence to explore for coal over 19,000 hectares at Mirboo North in the foothills of the Strezlecki Ranges. Inquiries by The Age have discovered that Mantle plans to supply coal to the Victorian-based Exergen for its controversial plan to export dried brown coal, including for use in Indian power stations.
    Yesterday, Mr Piper was taken aback by the news. Despite a requirement for such applications to be advertised in local and metropolitan newspapers, he said he knew nothing of it, and doubted that anyone else in the area did either.
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    And this is just the tip of the iceberg!. '....... thousands of square kilometres of farm and bushland are already subject to mining or explorations lease, a situation described by Environment Victoria campaigns director Mark Wakeham as a ''ticking timebomb''.'

    https://www.theage.com.au/victoria/farmer-worries-mining-company-has-him-pegged-20110302-1bewo.html
     
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    Remembering gold and iron ore mines in WA, explorations leases need to be as big as possible around the actual deposit as the mine "often" only has to report breaches of toxic waste/discharge/whatever to the EPA when it leaves the total lease, so although they might not actually dig there the exploration zones make a good buffer area. Trust me when i say that if their internal guidelines for chemical limits (eg groundwater pH) are exceeded (on site) often over a reporting period they will simply raise the limits.
    My grandparents used to live in Lakes Entrance and we loved the drive through the Latrobe valley, it saddens me that mining companies want to F... (sorry) screw this up too.
     
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    In Queensland, there will be around 4000 coal seam gas wells in the next couple of years. Under the Petroleum and Gas Act, these companies, when they get a lease, have the right to extract as much water as they want. As it is defined as waste water, they don't even pay for it. The feds say they will impose draw down limits on aquifers, but no environmental authority has them as yet. Many aquifers have been fractured in the last couple of years. Many wells are leaking as they are not capped properly. Money talks.
     
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    https://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/6...-gas-from-fracking-worse-than-coal-on-climate
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13053040 Here is a recent article concerning shale gas. In it they quote from the journal Climatic Change: "Compared to coal, the footprint of shale gas is at least 20% greater and perhaps more than twice as great on the 20-year horizon, and is comparable over 100 years,"
     
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    Fracking Blowout Causes Massive Spill in Pennsylvania
    Wednesday 20 April 2011
    by: Mike Ludwig, Truthout
    Thousands of gallons of potentially toxic hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," liquids spilled across pastures and into a stream in rural Pennsylvania early this morning, after a natural gas well suffered a blowout at 11:45 p.m. Tuesday night.

    Francis Roupp, a deputy director of the Bradford County emergency services, said "many thousands" of gallons of fracturing liquids were released after a blowout near the well head. Roupp was unsure how much liquid was released, but he said it is possible that hundreds of thousands of gallons could have been released and have spilled across acres of pasture and into a small tributary to a local river
    https://www.truth-out.org/fracking-blowout-causes-massive-spill-pennsylvania/1303282800
     
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    Oh shit

    Was just out at Tyalgum, where Mollison has a place and they are looking at doing this there! Although the Tweed shire and Byron, i think. are looking at passing a moratorium on CSG exploration. Actually Tweed has passed a vote unanimously supporting the moratorium, but have only a short time for it to pass before some licences are approved.
     

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