Dyslexia and Permaculture

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  1. MoD

    MoD Junior Member

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    I just finished my PDC and found it interesting how many others in the course were dyslexic (I'm dyslexic as well). The percentage was somewhere in the high 40 range (including both instructors), which is more than double (quadruple+ by some stats) of the representative number in the general public.

    So I'm wondering if this was just a fluke or if Permaculture draws dyslexic likes moths to a flame. When I was younger I hated the fact that I was dyslexic, but looking back I now feel it actually has made me smarter, more creative, flexible and able to find alternate ways to solve problems...all traits that fit well with the Permaculture lifestyle.

    Any others Dyslexicans out there?
    D :wink:
     
  2. Tamara

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    Hi MoD,

    You won't believe this, but I have been going to post something about this in this past week.

    My teacher (Geoff Lawton) told us he is dyslexic, so that's one.

    I have grown up without Dyslexia, but my partner is Dyslexic (and also a published academic) and he was the one that introduced be to Permaculture.

    What I found is that I actually became dyslexic after about 3 days of the PDC, just after we learned about patterns and scale and everything suddenly made sense. All my writing was back to front and I stared spelling words from the middle and having to add the beginning (not always a prefix).

    When I spoke to Geoff about it, he said it happened every so often. Amazing!!!

    Thanks for starting this post
    T
     
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    yes a small bit also left handed!

    Digging
     
  4. MoD

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    Hey Tamara great minds think alike...:D

    Odd about you turning Dyslexic after 3 days of the PDC...never heard of that. Did you recover or are you still a bit off?

    I just got loopy after the 3rd day from the tsunami of info. I've never taken so many notes than at the PDC.

    Yeah, I remember Geoff (Darren Doherty too if memory serves) saying he was dyslexic along with a number of others at the PDC which got me thinking.

    So what's your partners take on dyslexia and PC? Does he think it's helped him in general?

    Digging...that's got to be pretty rare being dyslexic and a lefty.
    D
     
  5. honi

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    dyslexia

    Wow Im so glda that im not alone!

    Unfortunately Im still pretty self conches about the whole thing.
    Especially during my P.D.C. when the idea of writing in front of other people scared the shit out of me!!

    I know it's silly but I found myself answering written questions in a simplistic way that i new I could spell, rather then the more complex answers that I wanted to give.
    So insted of looking like an intelligent person who couldn't spell I ended up looking unintelligent hmm..... :lol:

    MoD, nice place Austin, I use to live in Smithville.
     
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  7. Tamara

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    Hi Honi,

    Sometimes simplistic answers are better than complex ones. And simple sentences are definitely better than ones with lots of points, so don't despair.

    MoD,

    Sometimes the words don't come on queue and I can't tell if a word is spelled correctly. This is really strange because I recently edited a friends's PhD and my family calls me the "Spelling Nazi"!!!

    Partner is not so sure on PC and Dys (he is a lefty). He used to write mirror writing which is weird. He reckons that it hasn't made much difference, but he has picked up swaling and re-patterning really quickly and he hasn't done a PDC.

    I think that because permaculture really is pattern based rather than literacy based it might attract people with Dys. From what Bill has told me, people who are non literate and indigenous people pick PC up much faster than literate people. I think that in the past, humans needed many skills and that these things are ways that nature gives us different people with different ways of looking at the world.

    Love T
     
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    This is interesting. I work with people who are "illiterate" in reading and writing, but their visual, pattern and botanic literacies can be staggering.

    We have hosted PCs here with indigenous people, one or two of whom were unable to read and write. While some of the classroom discussion involving 10 gallon words, and some of the more esoteric pattern stuff did not translate well, the practical applications, energy and nutrient flows, and working examples of PC they have seen have made perfect sense to the students who lacked the ability to read.
     
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    I'm very encouraged by this discussion - I am mildly dyslexic and very ADHD and am seeking to change job fields to something ADHD etc friendly...testing the waters re permaculture and natural area restoration (I'm a beginner).
    And during a six-month horticulture course I just did, I noticed myself using my left hand more and more (I am usually right-handed), plus having a much better track of time the longer I spent in natural light.
     
  10. Tamara

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    Hi Sarah,
    Time outside and in natural light is so good for us, and I think that mixing our toil with the earth is so good for our soul. i am proof...
    If you are in Oz, try getting in touch with your local landcare.
    We have formed an urban landcare that plants 10m windbreaks on urban blocks here in Bunyip. And the local CEC has a business arm.

    Christopher, Bill was involved in the writing of a curiculum for Aboriginal students in South Australia. I haven't been able to find it, but someone out there might know about it.
     
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    Tamara,

    I'd love to see it. While indigenous people have held on to many aspects of traditional agriculture, the effect on domestic food production by the combination of "cheap" biocides and fertilizers, and the practice of dumping food on the developing world (cheese from Holland, lard from Canada, brekkie sugar snaps from the US, luncheon meat from Denmark, dried milk from everywhere, butter from NZ, instant food from the US, chocolate from UK, US, etc, etc, etc) has been erosive of traditional knowledge.

    If you can find it, or figure out where I could find it, I would love to hear about it.

    Best wishes,

    Christopher
     
  12. MoD

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    Interesting info about illiterate people easily picking up on parts of PC that can stymie the more 'educated'.

    Almost like the literate have suffered a type of brain atrophy...I'm starting to see a pattern emerge. :wink:

    Tamara, know the feeling on not being able to tell if a word is correctly spelled or not. Funny, my spelling has improved drastically as my computer has spell checking on the fly but now I'll spell the word correctly but then I'll question if it's the correct word.

    D
     
  13. Jez

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    FWIW Tamara, this is a pretty common phenomenon (in greater or lesser degrees) after people start using cannabis, LSD and any other fairly mild substance which - while for most people being largely unharmful - slightly alters your brain configuration (coffee and tobacco fall into a similar category too).

    I'm not sure doing a PDC could actually physically alter your brain configuration, but it's an interesting coincidence...a PDC certainly can renovate your head space... :D

    May have something to do with starting to use your left-brain hemisphere more?
     
  14. MoD

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    First I've heard of this, can you point to your source on this statement?

    There's been a number of studies that show that cannabis is actually a neurogenic drug.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051015/fob7.asp

    And as to LSD it showed extreme promise in the early 60's (prior to it's demonisation) in the treatment of extremely mentally traumatized (extreme child abuse and PTSD).
     
  15. Jez

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    G'day MoD,



    Nope, I read anywhere between 20 and 100+ articles and papers most days and have for years, so I don't keep a running mental or actual archive for all of them...particularly when they're not remotely related to anything I specialise in and aren't things I have any more than a vague passing interest in.



    I certainly wasn't implying cannabis destroyed brain cells or damaged the brain (as you seem to have assumed), I said it and other 'fairly mild substances slightly alter your brain configuration'.

    I assume the fact that taking any substances (especially regularly) causes minor alterations to your brain to be common knowledge - the link you provided details some of the sort of 'minor alterations' I was referring to.

    Not necessarily negative minor alterations, not necessarily positive minor alterations...just minor alterations...and FWIW, we really don't know enough about brain function with relation to substances to make any definitive conclusions.
     
  16. MoD

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    Damn, I was hoping you'd have a link. Tried googling and didn't come up with anything related...you'd think that something would pop up if it's 'pretty common'. If I find anything I'll be sure to share.

    Wow, wish I could read like you, even at just 20 articles a day x 2 days per week x 48 weeks is just shy of 2000 articles per year. Times x years and you've got a lot of data packed away up there. :wink:

    I have found that I read better (faster/less mistakes) if I cover one eye. Works for me at least. Look for my patented dyslexic pirate eye patch in a store near you soon!

    Hey Sarah,
    Are you finding PC helping with your ADHD? Seems like just getting back to a more sedate lifestyle would be very helpful.

    Hey Honi,

    Know how you feel...I rely heavily on my spell checker. Plus I'm also dysgraphic so my handwriting is hard to read...even for myself!

    I've driven by Smithville but never have check it out. Is it worth a stop? And yeah Austin is great. :D
     
  17. Jez

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    Please do.

    Try widening your search to just a term like 'brain alterations' - you'll probably get a couple of million links, and many of them will be about disorders and health problems causing changes to brain mapping, but I'm sure you'll also find thousands regarding substance use causing minor changes too.

    Not to mention all the anecdotal evidence you'd get from other search terms.



    :lol:...in theory. In practice, for me at least, much of the data you don't use regularly gets compacted (and some lost altogether!) so you don't remember that much in full detail and then have to refresh your memory all over again for it to be of much use for any detailed purpose.



    :lol:

    There you go huh?...I can barely read at all with one eye! Certainly at nowhere near the same speed...but I speed read so that may account for some of the difference.
     
  18. Susan

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    Dyslexiv Pc people

    Yeah count me in too.

    I also foind when I was doing Horticulture at TAFE that the people who would volunteer to water the newly laid turf; or seedlings or plants in the hothouse from all the participants in the class they were allways Zodiac - water signs.
    And since I don't believe in Astrology I found that pretty interesting.

    Susan
     
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    Yeah I'm also in the same boat, interesting stuff, maybe Murray should do a poll???

    Lucky I ended up using my artist skills to make a living.
     
  20. SueinWA

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    Test. I tried to post to this forum last night and couldn't.

    Sue
     

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