Discussion in 'The big picture' started by Tezza, Jul 21, 2010.
Not much in the senate for Tony then?
Too tight to call, but it looks like Palmer could (possibly) gain the seat:
Thus far, and sans WA (as yet untallied), it would appear that the LNP has only picked up one new seat in the Senate. Even if they only get another three from WA, it's still a complete wipeout for the LNP in the Senate!
There is hope yet! Although, it still remains to be seen just which way all of these bloody PUP members will vote in the Big House. My guess is, half of them will turn independent within 12-months.
For the latest on the Senate result, see:
Well, not a complete and utter balls-up then.
Hard to say, Brother G, it remains to be seen which way these 'independents' will roll.
But on the surface, yeah, it looks like we can at least sleep a little easier tonight.
Pauline [email protected]#$ing Hanson! What were the people of NSW thinking?
I suspect people recond she shouldnt have been locked up aka mandella!
Australians dont cede controll of the senate easily8)
Off to bed (hopefully to wake up early tomorrow without a sore head).
Official results are available here:
here comes the 21st century roads at least we keep the 19th century copper wires for the internet.
guess the torries won, resoundingly, rud's head on a block for what gilligan really did.
a big no vote against carbon, trick is now how does he stop that rot? monies paid out in advance, didn't help our budget.
anyhow how can we do better and bring us all together as good neighbours at least.
and one green vote makes melbourne a green city, i like that??
the next three years start now.
Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/federal-p...tra-blunted-20130622-2opjp.html#ixzz2eFFTwXe9
Maybe a double dissolution election in a few months when people have had a little time to see what an Abbott government is like would be fun
Wow, I just looked at my electorate results as at midnight last night (81% counted) and there was a 19.5% vote for 'Others' with an increase of 13.5%! More than Labor polled. Can only hope that the Senate puts a stick in the spokes for Abbott and everything goes tits up.
It is really sad when I wake up and see my 21 yr old son has put a status on FB reflecting his utter despair at the result and feeling totally desolate at what the immediate future holds. I just have to get outside and listen to the birds and try to remember that everything passes.....
matters not now what a pole may find, the voters voted for no carbon tax, now that doesn't mean that's what they'll get if nothing else our governance system is full of liars and cheats, anything to get a vote. now if they put on the slip as well do you want or not want a carbon tax, then the truth may have prevailed.
without saying all qlder's should move to other states where public health is better, our lot won't change, as for the NBN, this community and others up this way were never going to get it, by cable.
mith, i can understand your son, we are at the receding end of our life, his is all in front of him, maybe with some of us your son and his friends could get this flat ball rolling on having all in australia recognised as australian's(that is the current status quo) change the name if all don't like it, after all it is only a name with a bed sheet as recognition, the people are the country.
no matter torries look after silver spooner's and the bosses, no matter waht they say to get a vote, and since about hawk's time the labor party has gone the same way, looking after the silver spooner's.
Well, sore head or not, we must face the day in the cold, hard light of reality...
The Senate, thus far (from the AEC):
Group Votes % Swing
Australian Labor Party 2,839,097 30.47 -4.66
Liberal 701,731 7.53 -1.06
Liberal/Nationals 1,951,479 20.95 -0.47
Liberal National Party 742,640 7.97 -0.01
The Nationals 39,466 0.42 +0.09
Country Liberals (NT) 25,279 0.27 -0.04
The Greens 812,486 8.72 -4.39
DLP - Democratic Labor Party 77,846 0.84 -0.22
Nick Xenophon Group 201,379 2.16 +2.16
Palmer United Party 475,044 5.10 +5.10
Australian Independents 28,912 0.31 +0.31
Australian Sex Party 127,700 1.37 -0.67
Rise Up Australia Party 33,598 0.36 +0.36
Stable Population Party 8,630 0.09 +0.09
Family First 103,255 1.11 -0.99
Katter's Australian Party 77,986 0.84 +0.84
Shooters and Fishers 84,814 0.91 -0.77
Democrats 23,670 0.25 -0.38
Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party 39,916 0.43 +0.05
Animal Justice Party 59,288 0.64 +0.64
Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party 66,150 0.71 +0.71
Liberal Democrats (LDP) 360,863 3.87 +2.06
Stop The Greens 13,970 0.15 +0.15
Smokers Rights 17,392 0.19 +0.19
No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics 11,727 0.13 -0.07
Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party 46,568 0.50 +0.50
Australian Christians 35,717 0.38 +0.38
One Nation 47,685 0.51 -0.05
Socialist Equality Party 6,897 0.07 -0.04
Secular Party of Australia 9,514 0.10 +0.01
Senator On-Line 7,764 0.08 -0.06
Australian Voice Party 7,214 0.08 +0.08
Building Australia Party 5,510 0.06 -0.08
Drug Law Reform 6,954 0.07 +0.07
Pirate Party 28,691 0.31 +0.31
The Australian Republicans 2,305 0.02 +0.02
Uniting Australia Party 3,740 0.04 +0.04
The Wikileaks Party 57,431 0.62 +0.62
Bullet Train For Australia 12,810 0.14 +0.14
Country Alliance 4,750 0.05 +0.05
Stop CSG 5,404 0.06 +0.06
Voluntary Euthanasia Party 13,884 0.15 +0.15
Christian Democratic Party 54,198 0.58 -0.43
Australia First Party (NSW) Incorporated 7,146 0.08 +0.00
Australian Protectionist Party 2,569 0.03 +0.03
Citizens Electoral Council 1,034 0.01 -0.09
Bank Reform Party 1,173 0.01 +0.01
Carers Alliance 3,670 0.04 -0.18
A.F.N.P.P. 812 0.01 +0.01
Future Party 2,901 0.03 +0.03
Non-Custodial Parents Party 927 0.01 -0.02
Socialist Alliance 1,756 0.02 -0.24
Australian Sports Party 1,908 0.02 +0.02
Unendorsed/Ungrouped Amalgamated 11,802 0.13 -0.31
Senate Ghost Groups Amalgamated 0 0.00 -0.06
FORMAL 9,317,052 96.05 -0.20
INFORMAL 382,729 3.95 +0.20
TOTAL 9,699,781 65.96 -27.87
And from the ABC:
Party Continuing New Total
Liberal/National Party 16 17 33
Australian Labor Party 13 12 25
Australian Greens 6 4 10
Democratic Labour Party 1 0 1
Others 0 7 7
So what does all the above mean? Still too early to tell, I'm afraid ... It all come downs to which way the 'others' vote. Guess we'll just have to wait and see until the counting is complete, and the new Senate comes into play. Writing of which, I'm off to play in the sun (and to work off this sore head).
Actually, 43.4% (55% after preferences, representing a +7.8% swing) of the vote makes Melbourne a Green city
Actually, the 'No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics' vote represents only a 0.13% (including a -0.07% swing) of the Senate electorate. A proverbial drop in the ocean
Thus far, 24 individuals (representing just 0.04% of the voting populace) in my electorate (970 and a similar 0.04% across Victoria) voted for Jo and Beth. Where are you, fellow anarchists? We need to talk!
Well, I really must get out into this sun! I trust you all enjoyed our 2-minutes of illusionary power, and that the next 3-years will not be too much of a hardship. Hey, we may even be able to persuade a few more of you to help us dissolve the current system and in its place replace it with a system that is truly participatory? We live in hope. Peace out, Markos
whatever mark, on the carbon thing it was 1st and foremost in his speak up until voting day and that swung the votes.
but yes with you about a change, so lets put the election dissection to bed and try to move on and up to something better.
This was a General Election. A referendum is a very different thing.
The Libs would never put the carbon tax to a referendum because they know it wouldn't pass. To claim it as a referendum is just chest puffing, bullying tactics. This should be clear no matter how you feel about the Carbon Tax.
lol grahame, sorry i must look silly, but it's only the way they dress me, every election is a referendum, people who swing vote for what grabs them. nothing wrong with that, that's the system.
what do i gain from bullying?? absolutely nothing. lets change the system in some way.
Andrew Robb described the Carbon Tax as just a symbol on Insiders this morning.
The election result was about people being upset at Labor's internal squabbles and perceived instability, even though it was a fairly good reformist Government, under very difficult economic and political circumstances,its not about its or the LNP's policies.
The future challenge will be a shrinking revenue base, due to economic downturn,ageing population and too many tax cuts and middle class welfare mainly by Howard.
The only long term solution is to get more taxes or cut services.
We know the LNP are going to cut services,their preferred tax rise is the GST (which hurts the poor)
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