For me one of the things that stands out in this Election is that a vote for either of the two major parties is a vote for the status quo of our society. It is a vote that says, 'I am basically OK with the way we are headed, I am basically OK with the general tone of society but one or the other can offer me (as an individual) a little more than the other'. They both operate with the same level of consciousness that has bought us to this point over the last umpteen years. No matter how many times they tell us it is time for a new way, they are not in a position to offer a new way. Whilst I agree that the Greens are far from perfect, and not wholly outside of this same paradigm, they do offer a divergence and a point of difference. They do offer us a shift towards a new level of consciousness. A step in a more sustainable direction. The fact that even the Greens cannot make any real inroads into this current political/cultural paradigm, even with a fully stated policy platform certainly makes the acceptance and uptake of Municipal Libertarianism seem like a fancifully distant dream. But I believe that we need to hold a clear vision for how we would like to see our futures and the futures of our Children and generations to come. That we must work towards making those visions real, regardless of how long it takes us to get there. That we must take the next steps when ever we are given the opportunity to do so, no matter how small those steps seem. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step... I don't think that anyone disagrees with Len's thoughts on the need for us as individuals and as groups and as a society to follow some basic principles/ethics/morals. Do they? I actually believe that most people, certainly most of the ones I meet, do actually internally believe in and hold dear the very ethics we are talking about. But, many of them don't have the skills to be able to live by them for many varied and different reasons. I can think of no one I know who deliberately sets out to harm people, or the environment. And yet their every day actions do. I include myself in that. I don't think we do need a new set of ethics, I think we need the freedom to express the ones that most of us innately have. A world run entirely on Economic Growth increasingly removes that sort of freedom from us. It is Unsustainable and it is slowly choking us We don't need a new set of people to take over and start pushing the barrow. We need to tip the barrow over, compost all the crap in it and start growing something together. This two major parties crap is way past it's use-by. They aren't even pushing the barrow down the garden path anymore - they are pushing the flaming thing down a 6 lane Freeway... BAM!