Hiya all..Does anyone know we are voting again in August?......Yeah once again,voting for DUMB and Even DUMBER again...:n: Weve had this question before in here,and was wondering ,if things had really changed in here... Who are you Voting For?. Will your vote be based on common sense...or as the media will influence you....... Lets get an answer from everyone.......lets see how much the permie board has grown up after a few elections....:handshake:
G'day Tezza Nice to see that you are 'still alive' . It's a great pity that it seems the only reason you have chosen to grace us with your presence is because of your post topic. I for one would certainly like to read more of what you have been up to. Concerning your 'poll'. It may be prudent to expand it a bit. Many might like to answer, but cannot do so (such as myself) because you have not included a box for 'I do not vote', 'I will vote informal', or even the time-old, catch-all favourite that we in the research fraternity use, 'other'. Stay well, Markos. PS: There is no 'u' in Labor.
Gday Markos....thanks for spelling lesson....boy my spellings bad some days...I have posted a few times over time,Im still greatly involved in Permaculture(as if id change coats)....Ive moved 18 months ago to a new town,bout 50 klms away.Am in procsess of starting all over again... thats 6th time for me now..... No wonder i have a feeling of deja voo,its all the same still,think a lot,do a bit, all over again..Still sticking to bills "rainforest method", with a sprinkling of Fukuoka thown on the pile for good measure....Still NO chems....or artificial additives,still breeding chooks,(Rhode Island Reds) as per usual....AND still Doing "AQUAPONICS"Have expanded my old 2 tank system to a larger 3000 ltr 4 tank system....im in heaven,its works great,but had a few tiny hiccups,but sorted them out....Im actually growing lettuces in minus zero temps at moment,its ...i could crap on for ages...lol...everything is running well Sorry i never gave the option for opting out of a vote...but seeing as i make myself vote,i thought everyone would vote.....maybe next poll i post ill take the radical(myself included) voters intention along the way......In here it probly be 80%, lotta radicals in here over time.. Gotta run now...I posted some pics in here today,and in my profile album,shame its not easy to find individuals pics any more,but greatfull that easy to post on the main board these days Take care be good Tezza
G'day again, Tezza I didn't mean to give you a 'spelling lesson', in fact in this part of the world your spelling of (small 'L') labour is absolutely correct. It's just that the Australian (big 'L') Labor Party leaves the 'U' out of theirs. There's a story to it, hidden somewhere in my mind, but at this point of time it escapes my recalling it. Oh well, just a bit of fun anyway, hey? Concerning your latest setup: I knew that you must have busy! Your new patch of dirt, and the systems you have happening, reads awesome! I'll be sure to check out the pics very soon. Yeah, there are a few 'radicals' among us. As you suggest, pretty hard to be a permie and not be a radical. Good to know that you are well, and working as hard as you can. Kind regards, Markos.
Vote 1 Jo... just for a bit of fun Writing of fun... For the first time in my life I have decided to vote in the forthcoming election, and just for a bit of fun. I have decided that I am going to vote above the line on the senate ticket for, wait for it, Jo. Vote 1 Jo :y:
I've got this theory about elections (big surprise eh?). But first let me ask "Who is Jo?" and say that I will be voting Green, I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could vote for the 'Two major parties'. Let me also relay a conversation I had with my parents as I recall it in summary... Parents: Why can't we just have some politicians who are honest. All we want is for some honest politicians. Me: So vote for the Greens. Parents: What, they have ridiculous policies! Me: Do you know their policies? Parents: Something mumbles about some obscure policy (probably ridiculed in the Herald Sun) Me: So you don't want honest politicians, you want them to tell you what you want them to tell you and then do it? Parents: Some remark to deflect what that means to them Me:You guys have been around for a lot of elections, surely by now you understand how it works... They tell you lies, you swallow them, they never deliver. Etc. etc. They will vote for the Liberals, cause that's what they do Anyway, I do vote, but I understand how meaningless that vote is. The only real change is change that comes from the bottom up. Political parties are really just representative OF us, not so much FOR us. When people realise that they may start to take more personal responsibility for their world. In Argentina, they complain about corrupt politicians, but many of them wouldn't bat an eyelid before offering a police officer a bribe. Ya know what I mean? Vote if you like, it's worth the gamble, maybe a miracle will happen, maybe we have reached some critical mass. But if the choice you have is spend my time voting or spend my time planting a tree. Plant a tree, it will be far more rewarding and future generations will thank you. Seriously folks, politics is a side show to distract you from the main game. Get in the game, take charge of your life and thus your country and thus your world. To me that is the only thing worth doing, otherwise why are we here?
G'day Graham Did I mention that I was voting just to have a bit of fun? 'Jo' is none other than, Dr Joseph Toscano. I did provide a link to Jo's policy platform in my last post, but I guess it was a little hard to see. So, here it is again: Vote 1 Joseph Toscano Victorian Senate Ticket 2010 This election, Jo has managed to round up a couple of running partners. Which means according to our whacky senate election format that they (a group of three independents) get their own box 'above the line'. Effectively this means that one only has to put a 1 in the one box, rather than try to (preference) vote below the line where there are some 60-odd 'choices' to be made. Of course, a vote for Jo is a vote for the Greens, as this is where he has declared his preferences will flow. Back to the other senate candidates in Victoria... Obviously, we have a choice between 'dumb' and 'dumber' (Labor and Liberal candidates respectively). Then we have those other sterling choices, such as Family First senator Steve 'I believe that the earth was created in 7-days' Fielding. Or, one could always vote for the Shooting and Fishing party candidates. Even the Socialists are running two separate 'groups'; one for the 'progressives', and one for the 'reactionaries', And for those that love their porn, one could always vote for the Australian Sex Party (I kid you not) The senate is a 'circus', and the candidates are the 'clowns'. Check them out, it is sure to give you a laugh. Like I did write earlier, It's all a bit of fun, Grahame. I have those conversations with my family and work/university associates too (not so much with my friends - most of them are just as radical as my self). People whinge because every time they front up to the ballot box, have their little two-minutes of illusionary power, and then return to their mundane existence for the next 3/4-years only to find that that the person/party they voted for lied to them, and will now not fulfil any of the promises made. Sad really, to think that we have been labouring under this system for so long, yet we still believe that we can make change from the top down. Of course, you are right my friend. The only way that real change will occur - the change we need in order to save the planet and therefore save ourselves - is from the bottom up. This is what Jo advocates. If elected (not that it will ever happen - but the idea is to get people talking about it) the first bill he would put up before the senate is to "...encourage the Australian people to take direct action to abolish Parliament and replace it with a Federation of community and work place councils based on direct democratic principles where wealth is held in common and used for the common good." So, have a bit of fun. If you live in Victoria, why not Vote 1 Jo for the senate?
I'm bothered that we have compulsory voting here in Oz. I am completely disinterested and mostly uninformed, as I suspect are about 60% of the masses - yet we are the ones who choose the country's future leaders. Seriously - I pick the person who has the best looking photo on the How To Vote card. The ability to pull a sword out of a rock is probably just as good a selection process. Oh wait that's been done.....
Heh, funny yer should post that. Greens candidate Elissa Jenkins gets her science from a talking penguin ... “Anyone’s who’s seen the animated children’s film Happy Feet would know that overfishing is the biggest threat facing our fishing and tourism industries – not sanctuaries. https://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/cartoonish_party/ ......................... :rofl: .... ah could probably start a whole new thread with the shear volume of green party gaffs out there... :grin: .
g'day tezza i think the heart will play the role in the voting not many use the head, so feel good will govern the pencil on voting day(in the past it used to be tradition). now is there anyone worth voting for?? mmm for me just like in teh past decades NO! they are all there for the power, the glory, their ego's and the fringe benefits. believe there is a big gender pool this time, now that would be a good sound basis for voting for someone hey? waht did one pm say "if you pay peanuts you get monkey's" me i think we get expensive monkey's. maybe the poll results a good indicator to heart felt voting. but no matter they are all out of the same mold. len
Trouble is, you can only vote for politicians. ISTM both Abbott and Gillard are prostituting themselves throwing there (/our?)$s about now. Is that all they care about in the 17 marginal electorates all this is for? I thought there might be a few policies that were not poll driven but are good for the country I will be voting Green as they have the most sensible policies based on what we need, rather than want.
Ok that did it for me. I walked past a shop front in town today and the incumbent had about 10 big pictures of himself in a row. He doesn't fit the "looks good on a how to vote card" category. The local Greens candidate does though. I still wonder if that is the best way to select a leader for the nation....
G'day eco Don't know about "...a leader for the nation", Hitler was 'a leader of a nation'... However, I do know about leadership in one's own community, and from there the possibility of good policy spreading to the far reaches of one's bioregion, and out into the biosphere itself. It all starts by looking at the 'picture' you see everyday, the one in your mirror. Vote 1 for this person. Be a leader of your own life, and from there others will be encouraged to take the lead in theirs. Cheerio, Markos.
and the party that can't save trees, they want to what? save all the fishes on the eastern sea board, how! stop all fishing, won't take much to work out the real implications if that one ever got in or through. the independant independants are looking better all the time, had enough with knee jerkers. len
and many others (of your generation?) "About 1.4 million Australians - or about six per cent of the population - currently are not enrolled to vote, with 70 per cent aged between 18 and 39, according to the commission." This, i find, sad. There is enough alienation around without giving up your hard-one right to vote. Year i know the political process is corrupt, point to a better one! Many of my peasant fore-fathers have fought and died for the right to vote, not-voting is an insult to their memory
I don't fit the 6% criteria.....It just ain't wise to assume. With respect, I don't know your peasant fore fathers,nor do I care how they feel and care even less for your opinion! When there is a system which allows the ordinary individual the opportunity to be elected on the basis of what they have to offer rather than party affiliations, their wealth or lack of it, The discontinuance of swearing alegiance to a Foreign Head of State....the end to consripting or sending our youth to die in another countries war then I may vote, but never will I vote for oxygen thieves which are thrust upon us who have neither the intellect or the social consciousness to provide a society which allows all to reach their full potential. never ever, will I vote for fear of insulting some strangers "fore fathers!!!"
A very sad attitude; a pity you have not read history. https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/poli...u-the-julia-and-tony-show-20100730-10zl7.html Not voting does not make you less responsible for what happens; it makes you more responsible If you don't like the system, or no one comes close to your political views, you should be in government/politics yourself. Voting engages you with your society and the discussions it has about its future. Not voting is alienating. You have to ask yourself "Why do i live in this society if I don't want to be involved?"
I'd like to jump in here and with due respect, respond: Not voting is a vote against the system, those that participate in the system are responsible for the result. Then you would have to play by the systems rules. Working within your community (from the ground up) towards a future you desire is surely a better use of time regardless of whether it changes the world. The problem is, mass media guides people as to what discussions are to be about. We end up with distortion and distraction. I do, I just live for a better day! dan
The great Winston Churchill......Really......Perhaps it's you, who needs to read history! The only person to enter Parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes. I see you use a sheep as your avatar.......Is that indicitive of how you see your place in society????I've elected myself as being responsible for MY future!! Happy voting ......Hope you get the grubbyment you deserve
