COMPARISON BETWEEN OUR BODY, SOUL, AND THE LAND, and healing for both?

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  1. zvall

    zvall Junior Member

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    What greatly interests me is the comparison between how the land has been treated by monocultural agricultural methods and the way our bodies and minds have been

    Even though, for example, antibiotics HAVE helped me in the past, as we know now there are more and more cases that the biology they are supposed to be 'anti' too are living processes and they find ways to defend themselves
    But it is not just that, the whole biomedical model which nearly always pushes drugs for 'symptoms' without the explorations of root causes is surely cognate with what has been done and continues to be done to land, and in the end the saturation of chemical fertilizers and pesticides kills the soil like the drugs we get pushes us kill our immune systems and souls. IE the root causes, and what the so-called ' 'progress' is doing is not addressed, and even rendered unconscious.

    So my question is this: Can any of you recommend any authors, talkers, who really go into such a comparison as this. ideally this would be accessible online, but whatever your suggest is welcome.
     
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    i would call it the trap of the specialist, others might call it some variety of reductionism, the problem is related to the lack of an overall understanding of natural processes.

    in particular relation to bacterial biology it is a lack of understanding of how bacteria live and how easily they share genetic information amongst themselves.
     
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    Yes I am also interested in this.IMO.
    There are comparative influences between the industry-agriculture/medical, facilitated by the dominance of the pharmaceutical industry.
    The western chemical and antibiotic approaches have decimated our ecosystems and with it our natural resistances to pathogens and diseases.
    The basic ("modern") approach to plant and human health problems has been a bastardization of reductionist science where by you isolate the symptom/problem then kill it (insert destructive multinational product) regardless of the side affects.
    To further simplify this it can be viewed as the systems are designed to encourage a product not a cure in fact a cure is what those most capable to change the system are most alienated from.

    There are about 10 grams of microbes living in your nose, about 20 grams in the mouth and in the genitals, and 200 grams on your skin.
    Your gut carries a massive 1.5 kilograms of microbes. You carry in your bowels about 10-times more bacterial cells than the total number of your cells in your whole body.

    80% of our immune system is in our gut. Some 100 trillion bacteria - up to 1000 different species - live inside our intestines, where they play a crucial role in converting food into energy and protecting us from pathogens.

    So if we are trying to actually cure disease we must encourage natural beneficial Microbial balance whether it be in the soil or the gut the same applies.

    The way to approach this is consistent with life, supply nutrients and the right environmental conditions (eg pH) necessary for beneficial development of a healthy biota (Including the good microbes themselves) and remove pollutants (oversupplies).

    I believe if you remove all sugar and carbohydrate from your diet and eat only pre- and pro- biotics un-polluted microbe food including organic mostly raw veggies and fermented foods( and microbes themselves) you will generally surpass pharmaceutical efficacy, furthermore you will think clearer and be happier and hence more resilient and successful.

    I see it simply as choosing or supporting life rather than destroying the symptoms of the problem.
    I identify commonly referred to elements, both positive and negative. Sugar, anti microbial pharmaceuticals and chemicals, keep coming up as negative. Turmeric, sauerkraut, organics and sprouts allays positive - in short live dirty, eat clean!

    60-70 % of the human body is water so you can replace most of your body quickly. I think it takes a maximum of 7 years to replace every cell in your body and every action you take (eat breath think and do) IS EITHER NURTURING OR KILLING YOU.

    If you have a look at the links from my pages you will start to understand the tip of the iceberg that I am engaged in understanding more of.

    https://www.facebook.com/biotabooster?ref=hl

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJmDASwnsODwYGF2d6xHF-ww5w-6KTvUx
     
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    Hi Zvall,

    Satish Kumar, chief editor of Resurgence and Ecologist Magazine has a very lovely speech on a similar subject entitled Soil, Soul, Society:

    https://www.resurgence.org/shop/soil-soul-society-book-and-dvd-set-pr-82.html

    there are a couple examples of his speech online if you search for that title, definitely delivered through TED, and perhaps other platforms.

    This equates very closely to the Permaculture Ethics of course - perhaps a direct correspondence.

    Soil : Soul : Society
    Earth : People : Co-operation/Sharing
     

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