Censorship

Cybil, you sound to me like someone with a hidden agenda and a need to rant about cencorship across any forum. I am sorry if your view of the world has been so damaged in the past, but I can assure you that the sinister accusations (in the form of questions) you make are in my mind undoubtedly unfounded. You keep referring to having "been told" of examples. Who is this source of information? Why are they not taking issue with the forum directly rather than you undertaking their dirty work? I would advise you to leave people to fight their own battles if they have them.

I am not sure it is really wise that we continue to enter into conversation to this topic, as it simply keeps alive a rather stupid conversation.

 

No agenda Paula, just attempting to understand as to why the PRI are not accepting posts from a particular individual. I would not call this a rant - you are the one who needed an explanation after all. I was just trying to give it - dammed if I do and dammed if I don't. I am happy to shut it down but will raise it again if I do hear of further censorship. From what I understand it appears directed at one individual and is from that aspect, rather petty of the editor to do so.

 

So take it up with the editor. It is *possible* that Craig is censoring, and he may or may not have good reasons for doing so. I have no idea why you think it's censorship though, other than that two posts have not appeared from one person. Does this person and Craig or the PRI have any history?

Have they tried deleting their cookies, using another browser, posting under a different user name, have they ever had a post appear on the PRI blog comments, have they tried again since the two posts didn't appear, how many times...? Seriously, this isn't rocket science, and you still haven't presented any evidence that censorship has occurred - which isn't to say it hasn't, but I don't know what the point of this thread is. We can't really comment on something unless we know what it is.

 

Hello Pebble

Thanks. This person was an employee of the PRI and together with 5 other people departed from there in late January for, I am told, ethical reasons. There was a bit of a mass exodus apparently. I understand the matter of posts has been taken up with the editor but the editor does not respond. Being an ex-employee is not a black list crime I would not have thought.

 

I now have a hedache after reading all this.....

 

Right, so that's a completely different story. This isn't two posts not appearing from a random person on the internet. It's two posts not appearing from someone who has some substantial history with the site's admin. I don't think you leaving this out of the story does your position any good unfortunately. If there is another story here, about why the person left and how everyone involved feels about that, I'm not sure this forum is the place to discuss that (in fact I'm pretty sure it's not).

I still don't think that two missing posts is a black list, but it could be I guess. Again, has your friend tried posting again, under a different name? That would tell you if they are being blocked by IP number (assuming their ISP uses static IP addresses). But really, is it that big a deal? Is there bad feeling going on here?

To answer your original question, there is occasional removal of posts here on the forum, but by the moderators not Craig. Censorship isn't common. I've noticed the odd issue come up on the blog, but again it's rare and I wouldn't see it as either common or the norm. If you have some beef with the PRI, I suggest you take it up with them.

 

I am not sure that ex-employee, reasons for leaving or anything else is at all relevant actually. Does that mean that it is OK for one to be censored because someone does not like you or for something equally as petty? Is censorship a big deal? Is that the question? I would have thought it was not something we wished to encourage actually.

However, as previously stated, am happy to leave it there. Having them post under a different name is perhaps a good idea.

 

No, it means there are usually more than two sides to a story and none of us here is in any position to know the full details and context, so what's the point of discussing it here? If there is a problem it should be being discussed between the people that actually know what is going on.

As for censorship in general on this forum and the PRI site, I think we've covered that already in this thread (also past threads if you want to check them out).

 

Hi all. This is a fascinating thread. Thanks to Eco4560 for emailing me to bring it to my attention.

After reading it, my first thought was "why doesn't 'Cybil' contact me directly?"

I see others here, who I appreciate for their maturity and ethics, are asking the same question.

I did not intend to respond here at all, as it seems to be a thread purely inspired by a desire for gossip, not for actually receiving any answers (otherwise, again, Cybil would have contacted me directly). But, as it happens, with a little checking, I need to comment, if only to let people who've taken the time to respond here know that they may well have been duped by the original poster.

Cybil is a girl's name, but note this:

1) Cybil is selling a property:

https://forums.permaculture.org.au/showthread.php?10894-Kin-Kin-Farm-for-Sale&p=71729#post71729

2) The property sounds *exactly* like that currently for sale by a previous PRI contracted worker:

https://permacultureglobal.com/users/995-charles-hamilton

3) the comments quoted as being 'censored' were written by that same previous PRI contracted worker.

4) 'Cybil' "knows someone" who has been scanning Permaculture International Journal Magazines:

https://forums.permaculture.org.au/...ure-International-Magazines&p=72022#post72022

5) The previous PRI contracted worker (Charles Hamilton) was interested in this same thing:

https://permaculture.org.au/2011/01...l-journal-magazine-sets-40-off/#comment-68838

6) 'Cybil's' IP address is from the same location as the former PRI contracted worker.


'Cybil' seems to actually be the previous PRI contracted worker that 'she' is talking about as if is someone 'she' "knows".

The more sensible amongst you, those with some life experience, will recognise that sometimes ethical boundaries can be crossed by individuals, after which they can lose any privileges they may have had. It seems that 'Cybil's' thread is only further evidence of why 'she' is being 'censored'. This thread has an agenda, as does the individual who started it, and unfortunately in the bid to fulfil that agenda, ethics don't stand a chance. Hopefully posters here will see through this BS.

I'm closing this thread. If people have further enquiries, they are welcome to contact me directly: editor (at) permaculture dot org dot au

Update: Charles tells me 'Cybil' is not himself, but a very good friend of his.