Nibbler, I will definitely not be putting out poisons or getting a cat. The simple approach for us was to remove the food source for the rats & mice. Anyone who is able to have a cat and prevent it from killing wildlife is doing fine by me. But from experience and talking to all the people I know who have cats (and I did when I was young), it is near impossible to have a cat that has access to the outside world (with or without bell etc) without it killing wildlife. Iam not a cat hater, but do find it difficult to accept any defence of their (or other feral animal) existence in the wilds here. Of course it is impossible to remove these from our country now that they have been introduced (eg Dingo)......... This is a never ending argument I guess How goes the issue of foxes making it to Tassie then ? Should not these be eradicated if they are an extreme risk to the native wildlife ?