Can we have a sticky on what the ethics and principles of permaculture are please.

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  1. Pakanohida

    Pakanohida Junior Member

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    Did you find the elf in the book yet? ((I am not joking))
     
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    I'm a permies member and I'm a bit uncomfortable with that comment. It makes me feel that you think I 'm a bit...ethically challenged...since I'm associated.
    I'm sure that's not your intention though!
    I think a 'transitional ethic' sounds like total bollocks.
     
  3. mischief

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    Yeah,....um sounds like where I'm at.....in transition.
    Everyday is full of justifications as to why ...alot of things.
    I drive to work,I drive to the beach to catch and eat fresh fish/shellfish,I use a computer but download to my external hard drive now instead of printing on paper...etc

    I freely admit that I am a coward and the thought of changing my lifestyle to a completely chemical,pollutant free way leaves me in a huddling mess hiding under my unnatural duvet....
    How would I cope?

    So I justify myself by saying that I am and should use small and slow solutions.


    I refuse to call it an ethic though.
    An understanding that all goood things take time,...hmmm more justifications.

    C'mon Pippimagic,
    even Paul keeps telling everyone he's obnoxious and that his website is run for him by him, thats got to cause problems with some and they have a right to feel miffed and spout every now and then if they have a valid point.

    I'm still puzzled why someone would reject the idea of the 3rd ethic-share surpluses because they thing making lots of money would mean they would have to share surplus money with complete strangers.
    That to me is fruitloopy.
     
  4. Ludi

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    Looks like confusing permaculture ethics with the Income Tax Code.....
     
  5. Pakanohida

    Pakanohida Junior Member

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    Well, what Mischief said holds true. 3rd ethic gets tossed out the window a lot because people arrogantly think it means give away all your cash, and I have actually seen forum discussions elsewhere to that affect.
     
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    Or it gets interpreted to mean that it is OK to steal someone's intellectual property - like reproducing their book on line for free without permission. The point of sharing is that it isn't sharing if you don't give it. Anything else is called STEALING.
     
  7. pippimac

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    Okeydokey. I'm aware I sounded pretty pretentious, but oh well.
    I'm going to stop sticking my oar in re permies, it just makes me look like a twit;)
     
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    Oh dear! No i didn't get far past the '4th ethic', that sort of thing can turn me off when I have so much stuff I would like to read and so little reading time. i'm sorry I downloaded it really because it was a big file and we don't have a huge 'allowance'. I'd be interested to hear what the PRI people actually think about it, and if they actually read it first before posting the link...
     
  9. Pakanohida

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    I am actually wondering if they did.
     
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    Thank you, I didnt have much luck ages ago trying to make the same point.
     
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    I just re read this and thought how great it would be if people who have such surpluses just opened their gate and said come on it and help yourself.
     

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