Biota Booster

Permies interested in what is happening in the field of soil regeneration by farmers within Australia may find these case studies interesting, some of them even use swales and microbes - https://www.soilsforlife.org.au/case-studies.html

 

This is just your opinion. My opinion has the transition of large farms back to small holdings regardless of these herioc methods - because of the lack of fuel to entire populations. The people won't have any money to buy food. Your large farmer customers won't have a market. The people need to eat, they will take the land and revert it back to small holdings. This is only my opinion not to be misconstrued as a slap in the face. As an aside, this is a caustic reply from you NG, meant to belittle my position. Kind of like a strawman arguement.

I watched an interview with a person on one of the Philipine islands say there were no flights, no boats, and no food coming into her island post cyclone. I believe there is a potential for this experience to become more widespread, people in this scenario will not be thinking about microscope biology, methinks.

 

Well, I watched the video in the link NG. I think you ought to sign up for a PDC and start reading the manual. There are a lot of options that would take advantage of the the described landscapes through designs that take advatage of natural ecology. Just my opinion. Thanks for the link.

 

My pleasure Rick. A slightly strange response as if you had read some of the case studies you would have seen that a lot of them do exactly as you suggest. And presumptuous of you to assume what courses, degrees, certification or real world experience I have. My apologies if my response was taken as caustic, I was pointing out that not all farmers adhere to the ag-business model and the link provided a support to that proposition.

 

Guess I don't understand then. If there is natural soil biology, encouraged through these Permaculture-styled designs that utilize natural process, what need is there for your product? Is it viewed as a jump start for despoiled land? Is it to be applied time and again? Is a Permaculture method recommended along with this product? Does it need to be applied in a polyculture? Will it enhance a mature food forest ecology? Will it wear out the productive elements prematurely? Have you taken a Permaculture Design Course and/or read the manual?

 

If there is natural soil biology. On all farms/land that have had some form of herbicide, pesticide, fertiliser or fungicide used on it there will either be a very low count or it will be at a ration not conducive to making the nutrients available to the plant.

I am not the one selling a product here. I work with people so they can create their own - it is permasulptor and Peter that is selling the Biota Booster product.

Yes

No, please see previous note re my thoughts about re-applying

In my view yes

As above, it depends on the soil and previous soil management practices

Depends, if it has the right pH, a lack of weeds, a lack of pests and good quality growth of trees and fruit then no. If not then it will need fungus boost but that can be simply fixed by laying some wood chips down around the dripline and drizzling with fish hydrolysate, no biota required.

No, in fact it stores them

Yes, plus around 20 other degrees, courses and certifications and a few thousand books and days in real world situations

As noted above, I am not selling any product. I am simply providing my observations of real world situations where biota has been used either by itself, or in combination with permaculture principles.

 

Thank you for your help with this NGcomm I don't presently have time to answer as much as I would like as I have a family emergency to concentrate on at the moment .

 

Who was your Permaculture teacher NG? You do use these products on your own land? Do you publish your ideas?

Can a Permaculture planted design create its own soil biology, or does it need these products to grow? Let's use a worse case scenario when converting depleted farmland. And are these farmers that buy these products just applying them, or are they actually working in design as is taught in the manual?

 

Hi Rick

If you read through my other comments in this thread and others you will get the answers to the questions above. I, like you, have property, dug swales, planted fruit forests etc. and yes, even published my results, a lot of which have been provided in this thread and other online forums/blogs. But I get the feeling that no matter what I say, you will not be open to this information which is perfectly okay. It was provided because this is what I have found to work in the situations I have been in and I believe expressing that information is the point of an open forum.

 

NGComm, once again, beautifully written.

Your common sense approach is refreshing every morning like dew.

 

Then what is it?

If it has no EM in it, then it sounds more like fertilizer in guise.

I can find NO information on your product aside from that attached to GlaxoSmithKline, so uhm, I am confused.

You said,

This is an EM by your own words. Please un-confuse me.

 

To be honest, I don't know what Biota Booster is nor whatever it is you are recommending. And have no idea whether this is a practice I would ever consider using. How you can have this idea, NG, that I wouldn't use such information is beyond me. If you are uncomfortable having to answer hard questions, then I will bow out of this discussion. Please forgive me.

I am on page 207 of the manual, so I have plenty of other ideas to think about as it is anyway.

 

Thanks for your query Pakanohida I am sorry I should have been clearer and correct.IMO
If we agree that EM is effective microorganisms then yes Biota booster is EM however there needs to be a separation because BB is a more advanced formula than EM as people know it.I can assure you I have no connection to Glaxo Smith Kline I could not find a connection between them and the name Biota booster ?
Rick there are probably only two people who really know what BB is and I am not one of them I am closer than most but am sworn to secrecy at the moment, that is what we are exploring here and I hope it unfolds favorably for the product so it can reach its potential as a Bioremediation agent. Biota booster Is a unique blend of microbes some or all of which work in unison to produce effects unlike other known single products.Please everyone be as picky as you like it is all good from my perspective.

 

Thanks for clearing that up, and good luck on your new enterprise Permasculptor.

 

Thank you Pakanohida

 

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