Australia Election

Discussion in 'The big picture' started by green, Oct 31, 2007.

  1. green

    green Junior Member

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    People have accused Mr. Howard of following US bidding, which he denies.
    Here togather with Bush against 184 votes.

    The resolution, titled Necessity of Ending the Economic, Commercial and Financial Embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, was passed with 184 votes in favour, four against and one abstention.

    https://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1F3940.htm
     
  2. grease

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    The point being?
     
  3. IntensiveGardener

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    The point being that under the guise of "bringing democracy to cuba" (which is arguably more democratic than our shitful western systems of government.) Our Government, along with the US and 2 other pattsy regimes, continues the absolute abuse of the UN's democratic credentials by holding up a system where 4 votes beats 184 votes! Very democratic i must say! The hypocracy of using an undemocratic loophole like the veto system to promote "democracy" (read free market economics) in another nation is unbeleivable.
    I'v a good mind to join the liberal party just so i can spit in their faces at the next meeting ;-)
    Unfortunately for the Cubans this only means more years of isolation, more shortages and even if there was a popular will to change their system (which i don't beleive there is) this would not help in the least.
    Sorry for the rant.
    IG
     
  4. Jim Bob

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    It's not as if a UN General Assembly resolution ever changed a country's foreign or domestic policies, anyway.

    It's merely a symbolic vote of praise or condemnation. Since we choose to be the USA's bitch, we make our symbolic vote in their favour.

    Whereas if we were to make our symbolic vote against them, it would help Cuba, how?

    Cuba's better off without US trade, anyway. Look at some of the Latin American countries who trade with the US: Haiti, Dominican Republic, Mexico... US "help" often isn't!
     
  5. Tezza

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    Howard keeps telling us hes the leader of his party and Australia and we can heap any or all praise on his head....

    The people who run this country are Traitors...Traitors to the country.
    The People...Their Families....Their own political party... and to the human race....

    In the olden days they used to be Hung, Drawn, and Quartered

    Ahhh the good olde days

    Tezza
     
  6. Ojo

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    Where have you gone, Edward Abbey?

    many of Abbey's fears and premonitions have come to pass. What little wilderness remains has come under brutal assault by oil, gas, coal, timber, mining and agricultural interests, both in America and elsewhere. Our government claims an unassailable right to spy on anyone it chooses; habeas corpus is apparently moot. Our military is bogged down in a feckless, asinine war. The planet is in the midst of warming irreversibly, and none of our politicians have the guts to be honest about what this means for our future.
    excerpt
    https://www.salon.com/books/review/2006/ ... ex_np.html

    Free Book
    https://www.omnipresence.mahost.org/inttxt.htm
     
  7. Ojo

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    Rapture Rescue 911: Disaster Response for the Chosen

    the saving of the chosen and the burning of the masses -- but without any divine intervention. Heaven can wait. Thanks to the booming business of privatized disaster services, we're getting the Rapture right here on earth.

    The same pay-to-be-saved logic governs this entire new sector of country club disaster management. There is, of course, another principle that could guide our collective responses in a disaster-prone world: the simple conviction that every life is of equal value.

    For anyone out there who still believes in that wild idea, the time has urgently arrived to protect the principle.
    excerpts
    https://www.alternet.org/story/66743/


    Sustainability means staying in the game for the long haul.

    We know some other keys to resilience.

    * Build community and social capital. Resilience resides in enduring relationships and networks that hold cultural memory the same way seeds regenerate a forest after a fire.
    * Empower local communities to solve their own problems. Governance usually works best when it's closest to the ground and includes all stakeholders across all levels.
    * Beware of systems being too tightly connected, because one shock to the system can cause them all to crash at the same time.
    * And above all -- learn, experiment and innovate.

    The one non-negotiable is to face our vulnerabilities clearly and collaboratively. Windows of opportunity are finite and fleeting.
    excerpt (pg.2)
    https://www.alternet.org/environment/66725/

    Resilience Assessment

    The Resilience Alliance has developed two workbooks for assessing resilience in social-ecological systems:

    1) Assessing and managing resilience in social-ecological systems: A practitioners workbook

    2) Assessing resilience in social-ecological systems - A workbook for scientists

    Both workbooks have been through an extensive testing and review process and are now available to download and use (see below).
    https://www.resalliance.org/3871.php
     
  8. Smac

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    whats all this got to do with the election?

    the problem with this election (possibly just like all before it), is are either worth voting for? we need more competition, some of the smaller parties need to stand up and try and really take on the big parties.

    thats my 2cents worth
     
  9. JoanVL

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    I don't think either of the big parties will ever get control of the Senate again: Howard abused that power far too much.There is a chance the Greens will get the balance of power, as many younger voters are interested in the environment, so as they join the electorate they could just tip the balance that way. The Dems have been a spent force since their leader showed himself as a drunk, deadful Meg caved into Howard on GST, and what's 'er name defected to the ALP where her lover was a Senator

    I hope Rudd wins - not because I particularly like him, but because he has a functioning brain, and a conscience, as well as having a background in diplomacy, which means he can see the world view, or at least he should.

    As for Howard trying to look like a born again environmentalist. Ha! Nothing matters to him but the interests of business.
     
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    Thats a good one :D

    Howard, Rudd = same diff
     
  11. Ojo

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  12. CarbonAtor4NewDirection

    CarbonAtor4NewDirection Junior Member

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    On this 6th Nov, I attended a community function held by Graham Perrett labor candidate for Morton (Brisbane). The guest speaker was Peter Garrett AM, MP Labor Member for Kingsford Smith Shadow Minister for Climate Change, Environment, Heritage and the Arts ...

    Having known of Geoff Lawnton since approx thirteen years ago and his now life long dedication to permaculture. This from what I understand has been a massive transition from his early days with a successful T-shirt screen printing business partnered with his previous wife Debbie.

    Personally I'm not involved with the permaculture industry/ movement, but I do see and understand that it should take a place in Australia's landscape much greater then it already is. I also understand that Government attention has been poor and some what non-compliant to take on a total new approach to fixing the problems that are facing our farmers, local and semi rural communities. This I quote from Geoff mainly ("lip service") from Australian Governments in my opinion is largely due to in my opinion the political pull and power from the Chemical Industries and the Commercialism Capitalist system.

    So on the 6th Nov when I brought the permaculture subject up. I just would like to ad that many question to Peter from the audience would of got a far better response if Geoff was there to answer them. Some of the questions even came from Green supporters. Peter asked me to see him after the meeting in general chat time. I had little opportunity to chat further other then give him Geoff's details and contact numbers, website etc. Peter did say that he has heard about permaculture and is aware of how it has been progressing in this country at a community level.

    Kevin Rudds ten point plan action plan in tackling climate change if Labor wins Government has one very interesting point. INVEST IN SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE AND PROTECT OUR BIODIVERSITY by working with farmers to encourage sustainable farming practices which reduce emissions, develop carbon sinks and protect our unique plants and animals.

    Is it not the case that the Agriculture methods are in fact the problem? These methods have only contributed to salinity, spreading of weeds and pests, pollution of our waterways, wastage of our water resources, and biological damage to the Great Barrier Reef from herbicides and pesticides used by cane sugar industry due to run off.

    So I urge all of the permaculture movement to become active and start up a petition to get Federal Government attention in the form of tax concessions and breaks etc. I would also encourage formal submissions to projects that can help with salinity crises, water conservation, carbon sinks, drought, land erosion, and finally protecting our Great Barrier Reef in assuring that waterways are clean.

    Finally I would just like to ad that rather then bagging any government. It is more important to lead by example, be more concerned about what you can do and get on with doing it. But at the same time keep the pressure on them and make them realize that it is there DUTY OF CARE to recognize what you are doing. You are providing carbon sinks and protecting biodiversity so you have a legal right to rightfully claim legal recognition in the form of subsidies in my observation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWueDlfvd_U
     
  13. Ojo

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    For my grandson
    I'm writing because I want to have an answer when my grandson asks me, in 20 years time 'And what did you do Grandad, while all around you the environment was deteriorating, countries were being invaded on flimsy pretexts, jobs were being outsourced, working conditions and wages were being downgraded, services in country towns were being lost, media ownership was being put into the hands of a small number of very rich neoconservatives, the gap between rich and poor was widening, there was no regulation of the activities of corporations but increasing regulation of the poor and disadvantaged, international agreements were being trampled upon while Australia's name became mud, and women were being forced back into the role of second class citizens? What did you say when desperate people fleeing terrible conditions were put into concentration camps; did you protest as the clearing of the last forests and woodlands gathered speed; did you demand reconciliation and a fair go for Aboriginal people; did you agitate as the ABC became the broadcast wing of the Liberal Party, and the last of Telstra was sold? How did you feel as resources were massively shifted from public schools to private schools and from public hospitals to private hospitals, while demands for tax cuts for the rich increased? How could you let them get away with not signing the Kyoto Protocol? How could you let them subsume the economy and international interests of Australia into the interests of the Republican Party of the USA? How could you let us become a country where all benefit was defined in dollar terms?'
    https://www.blognow.com.au/mrpickwick/33 ... ndson.html
    and (kinda like this guy's blog)
    https://www.blognow.com.au/mrpickwick/26 ... bbott.html

    From the newswire: November 15, 2007 - This morning fifteen Greenpeace activists were arrested during an occupation of the Munmorah coal-fired power station in NSW. 15 crew occupied and took peaceful direct action to shut down the plant as a protest against John Howard and Kevin Rudd's ineffective climate change policies. Photos Greenpeace demands that both major parties commit to deep cuts to Australia's greenhouse gas pollution in the next decade, which means switching from coal fired power to cleaner and smarter energy use. The activists shut down the coal-feed conveyor belt and painted the
    read more
    https://oceania.indymedia.org/
    from above link
    https://nimfm.org/


    “Today’s strong turnout is a reflection of the public’s anger with these banks over their role in funding the new coal rush. Coal has devastating impacts on local communities and public health, and coal-fired power plants are the world’s top contributor to global warming,” said Rebecca Tarbotton, director of RAN’s Global Finance Campaign. “Citi and Bank of America are hereby on notice that unless they stop investing in global warming and start investing in the future, public actions like today’s are just the beginning.”

    According to Bloomberg, Citi was the coal industry’s top underwriter in 2006 and is a top lender to companies proposing to build new coal-fired power plants across the United States. If built, these plants would emit more than 600 million tons of carbon dioxide annually, undermining all other attempts to reduce emissions and prevent climate change.

    Both Citi and Bank of America, in addition to funding new coal plants, also invest heavily in companies that practice mountaintop removal coal mining, a destructive coal extraction method that is responsible for the loss of millions of acres of forests and mountains and the decimation of communities throughout Appalachia. The carbon contained in forests destroyed each year by mountaintop removal is roughly equivalent to the carbon emissions of two 800-megawatt coal-fired power plants.
    excerpt
    https://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1116-04.htm

    interesting video (about an hour long)
    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7181538044
    (mentioned in above video)
    https://www.hydrodynamics.com/technology_review.htm

    a ton of links.
    https://kenya.indymedia.org/news/2007/04/1870.php
     
  14. Leuchtturm

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    What do have politicians and nappies in common?

    They are changed for the same reasons ...
     
  15. CarbonAtor4NewDirection

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    Well, the people of Australia have spoken and my faith in our Country is on a high. This is a positive outcome because Australia has now signed the Kyoto agreement. The Greens voice has a platform to be better heard, rather then a stubborn Torri dictator style Government. I'm not saying that Labor is going to offer the perfect solutions to climate change , but at least they are prepared to confront it more then the previous Government.

    I'm prepared to stick my neck out for my belief that there are principles in permaculture that the Agriculture Industry in Australia must adopt to responsibly manage the climate change crises. Essentially its about Community effort and that has a far greater impact on our Government. Something has to be done and there has to be a meeting point that can be a start to bringing about a harmonious balance to our ecology. After watching the Bill Mollison doco I can see that the two different world approach in whats happening needs to come to a level of understanding. It's time to break those walls and work together before it's too late and mother earth has the final say. Lets all together unite for the one cause and keeping our planet .
     

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