God I so agree with you. Its ridiculous how hard doctors work to keep people alive for a little bit longer and on the other hand, for a miserable quality of life. I think something should be done about it, but they like it cause it keeps them working. Its why the health costs continue to go up and up. Wars famines etc, don't really do enough to limit population anymore. Basically as per the other thread that you didn't like, the only thing that seems like is to continue to increase the wealth of poorer nations/peoples so that they will feel less need and desire to have fewer children. I don't know if this will happen before it gets ugly. People can already live in extreme circumstances and as the pace of change is not catastrophically fast enough, we'll always be behind the eight ball and people will have time to adjust to the new circumstances. By the time the heavyweights decide its too awful to live this way, it will be too late. The richer people will never experience the loss of freedoms that the average person will because they will always be able to have their holiday home, their large wild landscape, take holidays to the wilderness and a large house on a large block to live on. They will always be able to fly to an unpopulated place, without pollution and in pristine condition so they don't really notice how awful it may be for everyone else.