Did anyone realise we have an Election in August?

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Did anyone realise we have an Election in August?

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  1. ecodharmamark

    ecodharmamark Junior Member

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    Australian Political Parties: Policies concerned with Climate Change - Part 3

    OK, after a nice lunch of goat's cheese (sourced bioregionally) and hummus (origins unknown, but oh so tasty) served on Turkish bread (locally baked), and then pumping out a few hundred words and weaving them into 'the submission', I'm now ready to return to the task at hand. Addictive, is it not?

    Country Alliance

    Pretty cut and dry ... sort of:

    The Country Alliance is not in Government and not concerned with matters outside it's area of interest and influence.

    Having said that, Country Alliance does make some observations on the debate. For example, we have concerns over the 'science' reportedly referred to by proponents of the climate change theory and the impacts bad policy can have on our constituents.

    We note with great interest the doubt cast by the UK High Court on the facts touted in “An Inconvenient Truth”, and the scepticism by Productivity Commission researchers of the Stern Report. In both cases, the arguments put forward were determined to be partisan. Since then, there has been increasing division within the scientific community about the evidence provided by those arguing for climate change.

    This should not be confused with one of our main aims, which is to maintain and protect a clean environment. We have always supported that, but not at the expense of rational and informed debate. The current debate has more than its fair share of zealots who are not prepared to debate or look at science that does not agree with their personal beliefs - or agendas.


    Country Liberals

    A quick search of their policy page reveals the following: "Content to come". That, in itself, says a lot. But, we can probably assume since they are cut from the same cookie dough as the big 'L' Liberals, that it is pretty well much going to be the same as theirs.

    Democratic Labor Party

    No specific policy (unless it's buried somewhere). However, the DLP do have a rather pro oil, coal and gas energy policy, which upon reading makes me tend to think that issues related to climate change factor rather low on their overall agenda. You be the judge.

    Family First Party

    No mistaking FFs position on the matter. From their website policy page titled 'Climate Change':

    Family First's position is:

    *Climate change has been occuring since time immemorial.
    *Many hundreds of eminent scientists have strongly criticised both the 'climate change doctrine' and the predictions made by the International Panel on Climate Change.
    *Claims that 'there is a scientific consensus' and 'the science is settled' are not true.
    *Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, it is plant food. The more crops can get of it the better they grow.
    *Carbon dioxide has had no discernible influence on the world's climate in the past and there is no reason to believe it should in the future.


    And they go on, and on, and on...

    HEMP Party

    Roll up a fat one, kick back, and read what the stoners have to say on the subject, man, yeah...

    OK, so they don't actually have a policy on climate change. However, a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from the use of bio-fuels derived from cannabis gets a mention in their 'Fuel' policy.

    Katter's Australian Party

    No specific policy. However, Katter is on the record as having said he thinks two of the world's most respected economic 'experts' related to the issue of climate change are 'lightweight'. Go figure. He's also been quoted as saying his 'anti' climate change, that is 'he doesn't believe humans contribute to it'. Who know what he thinks, who cares? Every parliament should have at least one representative of the clown community.

    Liberal Democratic Party

    An understatement, if ever there was one: "The LDP acknowledges that there is some evidence to suggest a trend towards global warming and the possibility that humans may be partly responsible." And, similarly: "The LDP acknowledges that there is scientific evidence to indicate a trend towards global warming. However, the degree of human influence, likely consequences and what we can effectively do about it are uncertain."

    Liberal Party of Australia

    By now, I'm sure many of you have read (or at least had the damn thing shoved in your letter box), what I'm calling, 'the little blue book'.

    A search of this (52-page, including covers) document using the term 'climate change' revealed just once response, on page-19:

    The Environment Minister will instruct the department to start implementing the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions.

    A search using the term 'science scientific' of the (31-page, including cover) Coalition Direct Action Plan did not reveal a single response.

    National Party of Australia

    More to come...
     
  2. annette

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    mindbogglingly (comparative more mindbogglingly, superlative most mindbogglingly)

    It's the perfect word MITH. And yes I agree, there is so much more nice stuff to do.
     
  3. mouseinthehouse

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    I started reading the Coalition Direct Action Plan but by the time 'Great Big New Tax' had been stated about ten times (what do they think I am 4 years old and watch Play School; LOOK at Gemima's Great Big New Hat!! Claps hands), I gave up. Precious waste of minutes of my life.
     
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    They worked over time on that one MITH - it has FOUR words in it. Usually the Coalition manage three - Stop The Boats. Actually I'm not sure that I have heard them announce a policy other than Stop The Boats yet. But I might have fallen asleep. Tony Abott does that for me.
     
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    Plus they have awesome ship names...
     
  6. andrew curr

    andrew curr Moderator

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    When will someone be the first federal politition to swear on the real BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    PDM
     
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    andrew curr Moderator

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    I think it could be that simple!
     
  8. annette

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    Swearing on a real bible wouldn't mean anything. Rudd and Abbot I'm sure think they are the chosen ones. And if they do something wrong, just go to church or say 10 hail marys and all will be forgiven.:rofl:

    I'd rather them sign a contract saying if they send troops to some forsaken war, they have to send a relative too. If they break a promise, they give back a years salary. Hit them where it hurts.
     
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    What a great idea. It might mitigate the MP salary creep too...
     
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    gardenlen Group for banned users

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    there you go again mark, mentioning your free and secular education? we have a secular constitution, education not really free but it is available to all who want to grab it, for those who don't want to grab, it would be like dragging a horse to water, can be done but how does one make it drink.

    and yes andrew would agree with you doubt very much if they would be using anything but a church of rome inspired bible, and as for one convert to another god using their own version of the bible to be sworn in on, well that is the rewards of a secular society, many have no idea where heir roots lay. and switching sides may not help after all we can't change our skin tone hey?

    and like annette says with the crowd we have running or should i say ruining our divided country, being seen at church or holding a bible might verge on hypocrisy.

    anyhow damage is done divided we fall.

    take care

    len
     
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    gardenlen Group for banned users

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    aikidesign,

    hit 'em in the hip pocket you say? state pollies and their buddies local council pollies all jut got massive amounts of money under some rule to suit them, i mean they are hardly worth what they now get let alone what was another 30k or so, laughable.

    otehr workers and pensioners still struggling along to cope with big rate rises, power rise, fuel rises etc.,. so now councils will have to break budget promises to cover huge deficit to cover their latest cash grab, one council as yet not brought their budget down, bet they think they are super lucky hey/ they won't have to break something that has been written. good fortune all-round.

    take even more care

    public health and dental non existent.

    len
     
  12. ecodharmamark

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    Australian Political Parties: Policies concerned with Climate Change - Part 4

    I'm baaaa-aaaack...

    National Party of Australia

    Basically, the same as the Libs, of course. You can read all about it in their 'little dark green book'). It goes something like this:

    The nationals support effective global programs to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to insure against the risk of climate change. Wealthy industrialised countries like Australia must take a commensurate role in conjunction with the rest of the world in implementing a global response if we expect developing countries to contribute to the solution.

    Therefore, we support an Australian objective of a 5% reduction in emissions below year 2000 levels by 2020, with larger reductions dependent on a strong international agreement being reached.

    This means that Australia would reduce its emissions of greenhouse gases from 552.7 million tonnes of co2-equivalent in 2000 to 525 million tonnes in 2020. The nationals will ensure that this target is achieved without economic harm or loss of jobs, and by measures that themselves directly benefit Australia.


    In other words, the Nat's policy is to do very little.

    Nick Xenophon Group

    From the man himself (well, at least from his website):

    I believe man-made climate change is real and I believe Australia may play its part in reducing carbon dioxide in the environment.

    That said, I don’t support the carbon tax introduced by the Federal Government, nor do I support the Oppositions notion of ‘direct action.’ Both schemes are inefficient and wasteful and there is a much better way forward...

    ...I support a model developed by leading economic think-tank Frontier Economics. This scheme rewards low-emission industries while punishing high-emission industries. It involves carrots and sticks, and unlike the Government’s scheme it doesn’t involve the massive taxing and wealth distribution you will have in the Government carbon tax.


    No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics

    Um, I wonder what their position and policy response might be? Read here, if interested.

    Non-Custodial Parents Party

    No specific policy. Although they do raise some non sequitur points under the sub-heading 'Environment'.

    One Nation

    No specific policy. However, and if you are really keen, you can have a look at their general diatribe, here.

    Pirate Party Australia

    In essence, the PPA support the Beyond Zero Emissions Plan, and in my opinion this represents the best way forward in decarbonising Australia's total stationary energy supply.

    Rise Up Australia

    No specific policy. Just another outlet for ignorant, racist and anti-science rants and rave. Further strengthens the view that representative democracy is not pretty.

    Secular Party of Australia

    A comprehensive, rational response, albeit with a nuclear twist:

    We recognise global warming as a significant and dire threat to global civilisation. To address the problem, global carbon dioxide emissions must be reduced dramatically. Existing "cap and trade" proposals may not achieve anything like the magnitude of reduction required. They may therefore be a counterproductive diversion. The required global emission reductions are eqivalent to the global cessation of emissions from coal-fired electricity generation. We need the phased introduction of a carbon tax, nationally and internationally.

    The cost of investment in alternative energy production will be at least a hundred billion dollars in Australia alone. This can be financed from revenue from a carbon tax. To facilitate the introduction of a tax internationally, and to ease the transition for Australian industry, the Secular Party proposes an International Coal Tax to be levied on coal exports, in conjunction with other coal exporters. Revenue from the tax would be distributed domestically and internationally to assist structural adjustment and provide welfare compensation.

    All forms of alternative base-load energy production will need to be utilised, including geothermal, tidal and nuclear. Given Australia's prominence in the world supply of uranium, the Secular Party considers that it is Australia's responsibility, and to our advantage, to participate in all stages of the nuclear fuel cycle, including power generation and waste disposal.


    Senator Online

    No specific policy. YOU make the policy via a process of 'technological democracy'. One to watch in the future, I reckon.

    Shooters and Fishers Party

    Summed up in one sentence (they cite a Quadrant article written by Bob Carter): "The Shooters and Fishers Party believes the Carbon Tax is a political construct built on the false premise that Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a real phenomenon."

    Socialist Alliance

    Unfurl your Red Flag, and get ready to read a very comprehensive response in the form of a charter, although delivered to us via classic socialist doctrine.

    Socialist Equality Party

    The old guard. Born out of the 4th International, and still holding true to the tenets of Marxism. No specific policy, but if you are feeling nostalgic for the days of the old Trotskyites, their 2013 Election Statement should get your juices flowing.

    Uniting Australia Party

    Not to be confused with Clive's (according to the AEC, not yet registered) party. The UAP have no specific policy on climate change, although they seem to think gas is the go among other things outlined on their rather brief platform.

    Voluntary Euthanasia Party

    No specific policy.

    The Wikileaks Party

    Bit early for a specific policy (if ever). However, and apart from Assange, they have some very interesting members.

    So, thats it! That's all of the positions put forward (or not) by the various parties on the issue of climate change.

    Obviously, any and all commentary on this and the preceding pages is my own, and does not necessarily reflect on the roles I fulfil outside of my personal sphere.

    Thanks for your time. I hope you have found it as interesting in reading, I have in researching.

    In the great communitarian tradition, feel free to share the link/s far and wide.
     
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    Thanks for all the work and time you put into that!
     
  14. annette

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    Thanks Mark. Big Job. Saw on telly this morning that the Wikileaks party will be fielding at least 3 senate candidates.
     
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    AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
    shiver me shipmast locust!!!!
    The wombats seem to be using the insulation deaths as a political football ,without access to the statistics i would suggest as many farmers died accidentally over the same
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    Sure insulating houses can be a dangerous business(i think we have learnt that) , but it works,my house is warmer!

    Wewalthy friends and neigbhours are still laughing all the way to the bank about the massivly over priced solar feedback tarrifs!!!!!
     
  16. ecodharmamark

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    I get a small sense of satisfaction out of composting all electioneering material currently finding its way into our PO Box. Wish I could compost the sycophants that produce it.
     
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    gardenlen Group for banned users

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    with that insulation issue, common sense should have prevailed, there is a tape that can be bough to hold the insulation in place if it really needs holding in a roof cavity, we had batt material installed under the scheme no one died, aluminium is good but i'd suggest not in the hands of idiots.

    len
     
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    i think some died of heat stress too!
    How many died ,how many employed?
    IM sure noone was killed on purpose ,we should learn from the experience!
     
  19. ecodharmamark

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    Unfortunately, 'farmers' ('agriculture, forestry and fishing' workers/bystanders) die at an alarming rate at their place of work. In 2012 (the only full year of statistics available at the source), 41 farmers (including 1 bystander) were killed. Second only to 'transport and storage' workers, of which 47 (including 13 bystanders) were killed.
     
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    41 of how many farmers?
    What are my odds!
    I always thought it was dangerous just standing there!
     

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