Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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    TechnoWorshipper,

    I find it ironic that you have no concern/ compassion for Environment despite the fact that you owe your very existence to nature/ environment.

    Why do you breathe the Air?

    Why do you drink the Water?

    Why do you eat the Food that comes from Soil? - Why don't you have Computers for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    Take all your technology to the Moon - and try producing a single grain of Food without using any natural ingredient from Earth.


    In the absence of Nature your grandfather would'nt have lived.
    In the absence of Nature your father would'nt have lived.
    In the absence of Nature you would'nt have lived.

    Show some respect to Nature.


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    For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist life is not sustainable.

    But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

    Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

    Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

    One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

    So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within our solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

    So when are we moving to a new home ?

    Next year - or 5 years later ?


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    Is Science 100% correct, 100% of the time ?

    The word "Science" is from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge".

    Knowledge and truth do not have the same meaning. I KNOW for a fact Jack climbed the Beanstalk. But the TRUTH is... he didn't.

    Anything that needs to be researched can be called a "science" if we acquire knowledge in the process. Thomas Edison acquired knowledge more than 1000 times on how NOT to make a light bulb before he got it right.

    Philosophy, on the other hand looks at logic before science.

    If 90% of the article in question is nonesence, 10% isn't...
     
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    Rainbow Farmer walked off a few years ago in a chemical/organic debate, which was too bad. She had a lot of knowledge about pond based aquaculture and goats, I had a lot of respect for her, but she became offended when round-up was demonized. She deleted most of her posts on the way out, too, sort of petty vandalism.

    This thread has been around for years, and is thought provoking, and perhaps a bit esoteric, appraently some people find it threatening.

    I thought a pretty noble way to live is to grow food for yourself and your neighbors, so the hardest working can provide for the infirm, employed, or indolent.
     
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    to continue your allusion he discarded the ones that were >90% nonsense until he got to the 1000th that was 90% good and only 10% nonsense

    surely RainbowFarmer is suggesting that we discard what was presented, because as an Edisonian reject its removal brings us closer to the useful information
     
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    Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

    "Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

    These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
    Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

    You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
    You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.



    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

    Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


    We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

    If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

    If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

    The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

    This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.



    We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

    Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

    The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

    Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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    Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment-I'm hip

    i like it :)

    i 'm not fussed about the quality of the science. Some truths I deem to be self evident.
    the posts were fully read by me, and it was a nod along. Reading, nodding, reading, nodding.

    i stopped nodding when some discussion was entered into of the suitability of the post/thread.

    i would like the perma nazis to leave censorship out of the dialogue...the chap wants to air his thoughts...and I warm to this 'your all screwed' tune.

    i agree with the post that remarks that some things are just better sung.....very funny.....and true in this case.
    regards, Kimbo
     
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    I didn't read everything you wrote, but I found some of the ideas interesting.
    I reject the concept that high density living cannot be done well. To suggest this is to support expansion into wilderness and higher carbon footprints (or some sort of eugenics).

    I put it to you that some of the symptoms you observe relate to chronic nutritional deficiencies (B vitamins and magnesium) and are perhaps unrelated to the density or perceived pace of life in cities. In essence, correlation does not imply causation.
     
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    This crazy society did not anticipate "Financial Collapse" until it actually happened.

    This crazy society is not going to anticipate "Ecosystem Collapse" until it actually happens.


    The way this insane, abnormal and criminal society is running is like :

    A car running in a closed garage.

    Adding extra floors to a building by removing bricks from the lower floors.



    The crash - the collapse - the end is coming.

    It is a matter of one or two decades at the most.


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    I do question whether "intelligence" is really the root of the problem. Take the way you define our society for example; insane, abnormal and criminal. These definitions would appear to describe a society lacking intelligence - rather than possessing it.

    Even so, insanity, abnormality and criminal tendencies are all definitions created by mankind. They all centre around the construct of "normal" within our own majority. But what is normal, in a natural world constantly evolving?

    What I find difficult to accept in many of the moral debates about life (no matter which side you sit on) is that mankind is somehow askewed/irrational/faulty, in a world filled with perfection without us. A world where (if we believe the science) animals and the natural world ruled previously, and still got struck down to extinction.

    We would have to accept that no-matter who sits at the top of the food chain, there is a "position" to get knocked down from. We also have to accept that the natural world will always go through a cleansing process, regardless of who's at the top of the food chain.

    I put it to you that "normal" is nature in control - not the other way around. Mankind does not control nature, any more than the animals do. We are part of it, we all effect each other by what we do - but nature will always evolve, create, destroy, create, destroy, evolve again. This process will effect mankind no matter what we do.

    This doesn't change the fact our actions are damaging eco systems. But I think that has more to do with our responsibility, rather than our intelligence. We cannot think our way into responsibility, we have to be taught by our actions. This is where industrialisation has probably removed people from understanding responsibility. Being segmentalised, we all have a "portion" of it, but no understanding of the entirity.

    This is where encouraging people to grow their own food, begins the learning process again.
     
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    Industrial Society is insane. It believes ecosystems can be saved while it continues to increase "growth rate", "economy rate" and GDP.

    City people are the problem - city people are the parasites eating away the ecosystems.

    Today 50% of world population - 3 billion people are living in cities. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work, overwork, destructive work - making things, buying things and selling things.

    We can still make our remaining ecosystems last longer if we limit our production to food, clothing and shelter [ and health care]. We can still make our remaining ecosystems last longer if we stop production of consumer goods or reduce it to the minimum level.

    But the problem here is - what are we going to do with the 3 billion people living in cities most of whom are engaged in making things, buying things and selling things. There is no surplus farm land on earth where these people can be relocated.

    All of these people cannot stop activity to do meditation - this requires ability and years of effort. So what do we do with the 3 billion people living in cities - how do we keep them occupied without destroying the ecosystems?


    Believing that we can save ecosystems while we continue making consumer goods is like believing we can cure cancer while we continue flooding the environment with thousands of carcinogens.

    It is like believing we can have peace in this world while the "Military Industrial Complex" continues to produce and sell billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

    Humans are the destroyers of ecosystems - they are not going to become the saviours of ecosystems.

    Asking humans to save environment is like asking petrol to extinguish a fire.


    Weather is becoming hotter, irregular and unpredictable across the globe. We have lost most of the forests and a large percentage of ice in Arctic region and glaciers elsewhere. Forests and ice have played a major role in regulating wind speed and direction of wind and monsoon/ rain clouds. Weather patterns were fairly constant for thousands of years. All that is changing now. In India the summer season is no longer the same as before - winters are not the same and monsoon rains are also no longer the same as before.

    In the coming years agriculture is going to collapse worldwide due to change and irregularity of weather. Man has already decimated fish in the oceans. There will be nothing left for man to eat. The human species is going to starve to death. Just wait and see what happens in the next two decades.

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    In the set of all possible impossible things, I can think of many that are far less probable than interplanetary travel.

    Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us anyway?

    Reg: All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us?

    Xerxes: The aqueduct.

    Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

    Masked Activist: And the sanitation!

    Stan: Oh yes... sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.

    Reg: All right, I'll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done...

    Matthias: And the roads...

    Reg: (sharply) Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...

    Another Masked Activist: Irrigation...

    Other Masked Voices: Medicine... Education... Health...

    Reg: Yes... all right, fair enough...

    Activist Near Front: And the wine...

    Omnes: Oh yes! True!

    Francis: Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Romans left, Reg.

    Masked Activist at Back: Public baths!

    Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

    Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.

    (more general murmurs of agreement)

    Reg: All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
     
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    Did'nt you read the word "probably" in the line? This is called hair splitting - endless argument over nothing. The idea that is conveyed in the line is that moving to another planet is not going to happen.

    You will realize the value of what science & Technology has given when you compare it with what science & technology has taken away.

    Take a look at the satellite pictures of forests taken 30 years ago and compare them with the satellite pictures of this year to know how many forests have been cut down on this planet.

    Take a look at the satellite pictures of Arctic ice taken 30 years ago and compare them with the satellite pictures of this year to know how much ice cover has been lost on earth.

    Industrial Society has decimated animals, trees, birds and fish. It has poisoned the sky, the land, the oceans.

    The entire planet has been turned into a garbage dump/ landfill - billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste and electronic waste on land and in the oceans.

    Thousands of man-made toxic chemicals in the air, in the water and in the food chain.

    Science, Technology and Industrialization have destroyed animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained life on earth.


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    Very soon science is going to announce the gene for environmental destruction.

    Humans are not responsible for environmental destruction - it is the gene.



    Humans are not responsible for anything - the genes are responsible for everything.

    It is the gene which is responsible for obesity.

    It is the gene which is responsible for cancer.

    It is the gene which is responsible for violence/ aggression.

    It is the gene which is responsible for mental suffering.


    When it comes to Olympic medal they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

    When it comes to Nobel Prize they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

    When it comes to rewarding work they will pay million dollar salary to the CEO - not to the gene.

    When it comes to "Theory of Relativity" they will give credit to Einstein - not to the gene.



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    On earth we have got oceans and oceans of water - which have been polluted/ poisoned by man - but this is hardly news for humans.

    Recently Man bombarded the moon with a rocket to discover traces of water - and it became the newspaper headline across the world.

    They call it progress, growth, development.



    Height of insanity - Height of abnormality.

    Don't search for a few molecules of water in outer space.

    Take care of the water that is available on earth.


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    Industrial Society is speeding up the demise of ecosystems by providing jobs to all - education to all.

    After Industrial Revolution work turned into extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Most of the people living in cities are engaged in the destructive cycle of
    production of consumer goods, selling of consumer goods, buying of
    consumer goods.This planet is very small - just 40,000 km in
    circumference. Today 50% of world population is living in cities - and
    this percentage is increasing day by day.

    Provide jobs to all?
    Provide education to all? - oh yes, provide jobs/education to all and
    very soon the human species will go out of existence.

    The entire education system is promoting consumerism, extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    People who are getting education in technology/ engineering.... are engaged in production of consumer goods.

    People who are getting education in the fields of business, finance, MBA....are engaged in selling of consumer goods.

    Most of the people getting education in Arts subjects are also engaged in
    selling of consumer goods and services - sales and marketing jobs.

    If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will last longer. If we destroy ecosystems for consumer goods in addition to food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

    Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water,land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    By providing jobs to all - education to all, Industrial Society is destroying the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years.

    Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.



    What would happen to your home if 1000 people entered and started doing work continuously - 24 X 7 - picking up things already lying in the house, breaking them up and making new things out of them without stopping?

    A similar thing is happening to the planet - 6.8 billion people
    continuously engaging in work - destroying the ecosystems moment by
    moment.

    Man started destroying "extra" after Industrial Revolution. This "extra"
    destruction has risen exponentially in the last 50 years.

    Work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work. People who are working to provide food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are doing work - rest of the population is engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured / created by MultiNational Corporations. Who can undo the damage that has been done to ecosystems by billions of people over a period of 200 - 250 years?



    Industrial Society has killed billions of acres of fertile soil by covering it with cement and concrete.This is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.We
    have got a very small planet. On this small planet two-thirds of
    surface area is water. Only one-third is land - and this includes vast
    areas of land that are not fertile - deserts, rocky
    mountains, ice/ glaciers. There is very little surface area on
    earth which is fertile. It is this fertile soil that has produced food
    for millions of species that have lived on land for millions of years. Killing billions of acres of fertile soil is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.The punishment is coming - very soon - punishment of the highest degree - punishment raised to the power of infinity.



    "Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Green Development".

    These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
    Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

    Industry produces three kinds of waste - solid, liquid and gaseous.

    There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - air, water, land.

    There is no fourth place on earth where Industrial waste can go.

    Industrial Society has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, chemical waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste.........

    This waste has killed, polluted and poisoned rivers, lakes, oceans, underground water, the soil/ land, the air/ sky.

    Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.



    We have created a society that rapes, plunders and exploits "Mother Earth" 365 days of the year - and then celebrates Earth Day.

    When someone destroys the home of a human being it is considered a crime and the accused is sent to prison.

    When the human species collectively destroys the homes [ecosystems] of millions of other species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

    The police, the law, the judiciary are trying to catch a few criminals - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

    Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.



    What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we com...pare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

    The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism.

    Science, Technology and Industrialization are responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

    If "Industrial Revolution" had not happened what would be the scenario today?

    The feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control.

    Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.

    Maybe I would'nt be existing today - and billions of others may not have existed - but millions/ billions of humans would exist [just like they existed before Industrialization]

    Most ecosystems would be hundreds of times/ thousands of times in better shape than today.

    Millions of other species that have been decimated by Industrial Society would be existing in very healthy numbers - their population levels thousands of times greater than what they are now.

    Providing food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is good. But did "Industrial Society" stop at that?

    Do we have an Industrial Society that only provides food, clothing, shelter and healthcare to people?

    No - the jokers tried to sell hundreds of consumer goods to all citizens of Industrial Society. They tried to make all people consumerists.

    Industrial Society started destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to destroying them for food, clothing and shelter.

    You cannot do this on a small planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference. If you live this way you end up destroying all ecosystems - you end up decimating all other species - you end up destroying animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.



    The earth is sick.

    Ecosystems are dying.

    Animals, trees, air, water and land are dying.

    People say - why bother, it was meant to happen this way, nature will take care of itself.

    When people fall sick - they rush to the doctor to save themselves.

    When people fall sick - they rush to the hospital to save themselves.

    Insane, abnormal, selfish, criminal human species.


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    Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

    How can this ever be true?

    A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

    It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

    The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
    of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.

    And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.

    And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
    the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
    that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.

    Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

    But this is not the case.

    We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km.
    On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in
    the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which
    do not support vegetation.

    If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees,
    plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests
    in this world.

    Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.

    Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

    First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
    agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
    down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
    mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
    network.

    So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture,
    for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and
    road network.

    So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?

    How can green cover ever increase?

    Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.

    The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.

    One can know the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests - before and after. One can compare the pictures taken 30 years ago with those taken this year.



    Why did God create the insane human species that is ready to do
    everything for the wrong cause and nothing for the right cause – a
    species which is willing to do everything to destroy the ecosystems and
    nothing to save the ecosystems.

    Man is ready to kill and get killed for religion, for country, for honour, for power, for money and fame - But not for environment.

    Millions have been killed over trivial issues and causes.
    Millions have died for trivial issues and causes.

    How many people have died for environment? How many people have died for
    the most important / precious things on earth – animals, trees, air,
    water and land – the very things that created and sustained all life on
    earth.

    Most of the ecosystems are already gone. The
    little that remains is dying moment by moment. The situation is
    extremely critical but the human response is limited to the same old
    insanity – bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.

    Environmentalism has failed.
    Environmentalism never existed.
    It was Pseudo-Environmentalism all the way.


    When 3000 people died in World Trade Center collapse the west was outraged - Killers, Murderers, Terrorists - they cried out. America vowed to smoke out the culprits - attacked Afghanistan, flattened the country and killed hundreds of thousands of people [directly or indirectly].

    When American company "Union Carbide"... killed 20,000 people in Bhopal, India the same desire for justice was not shown by the west.

    Why? - Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    There are hundreds of insecticides/ pesticides that are banned in western countries but the west is selling millions of tonnes of these chemicals in asia - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

    Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    The west is shipping millions of tonnes of toxic , hazardous waste to asian countries for recycling - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

    Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in wars. No terrorist organization has killed that many people.

    Industry kills - Industry kills humans, Industry kills animals, Industry kills trees, Industry kills air, Industry kills water, Industry kills land.

    Industry is the killer - Industry is the murderer - Industry is the
    terrorist.



    Destruction of ecosystems will soon lead to collapse of Industrial Society.

    Humans have decimated millions of other species - very soon it will be the turn of Humans to get decimated.

    But even decimation of humans will not save ecosystems - only a total wipe-out of humans will save ecosystems.

    If a few million humans survive they will again try to build another Industrial Society because they have seen such a society.

    Only human extinction will work.

    When the human species appears again there must be no memory of Industrialization and consumerism left in the human brain.

    It would be best if the human species never ever appears on the planet again.


    This planet can only sustain societies that produce their own food.

    This planet cannot sustain societies that do not produce their own food.

    Everyone in this world is eating food.

    But everyone in this world is not producing food.

    Today 50% of world population is living in cities. This population is not producing food. A society that does not produce its own food creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied. People would go crazy if this unnecessary work is not created. A city-based/ non-farming society is mostly engaged in production and selling of consumer goods and services. Work turns into over-work, extra work, destructive work.

    When society produces its own food it destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter.

    When society does not produce its own food it destroys ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter.

    Cities existed before Industrial Revolution but their destructive impact was very little because they were not producing consumer goods that are being made today.

    We can never save environment if we are destroying extra - We can never save environment if we destroy it for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as cities exist.

    It is impossible to save environment if we have societies that do not produce their own food.



    Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only due to modern technology/ machines.

    In the absence of modern technology/ machines it would be impossible for man to destroy all ecosystems.

    If modern technology/ machines had not come into existence man would
    have probably destroyed some ecosystems on land [forests] - and that
    too at a much slower rate than that of the present Industrial Society.

    It would have been impossible for man to destroy ecosystems in the sea/ oceans.

    It would have been impossible for man to carry out largescale mining
    activity and destroy ecosystems on the surface and deep inside the
    earth.

    It would have been impossible for man to poison the earth with thousands of toxic chemicals.

    It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
    solid, liquid and gaseous waste that has poisoned the air, water and
    land - the entire planet.

    It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
    metal waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste...... that has
    poisoned the entire planet.

    The Machine has killed all ecosystems.

    It is impossible to save the remaining ecosystems as long as the machine exists.

    The Machine will devour everything that remains on earth.

    Machine is the killer.

    Kill the machine.



    The shameless, insane, abnormal and criminal human species
    gets alarmed only when other species are about to go extinct – not before. And
    even this late concern is fake - how could it ever be real.

    The crime happens much before extinction of species. The tragedy happens much
    before extinction of species.

    This planet was made for millions of species - not for man alone.

    The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier than extinction when man decimated all
    other species.

    The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier when the population of each species
    dropped from millions to thousands and hundreds.

    How would humans feel if the roles were reversed and the following happened.

    All the animals of the world join hands to decimate the human species.

    Humans are outraged , they cry out - killers, murderers, criminals, terrorists.

    The animals say - "what are you complaining about?".

    We are so compassionate - we did'nt kill all of you.

    You should be grateful that we did'nt make you extinct.

    There are 10 of you still alive on every continent.


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  18. sushil yadav

    sushil yadav Junior Member

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    Jobs or Environment?

    Economy or Environment?

    These are the questions that are being asked today.

    This is insanity raised to the power of infinity.

    Do we need to discuss, debate and argue for 100 years to know the answer?

    Do we need to do research for 100 years to know the answer?

    What would be the response of this genius society if professional killers said - you should not stop us from killing people - if you do that you are taking away our jobs.

    Jobs are killing ecosystems, work is killing ecosystems, economy is killing ecosystems - work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, extra work, destructive work.

    Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [animals, trees, air, water, land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    Without environment humans will not even exist.

    Without environment millions of other species will not exist.

    We are alive because of nature - we owe our very existence to nature.

    But this insane, abnormal and criminal "Industrial Society" continues to choose jobs instead of environment - economy instead of environment.

    Insanity raised to the power of infinity.



    Out of millions of species the human species is the only species which is insane enough to believe that food comes from money.

    Millions of other species have lived on earth for millions of years. Their food did not come from money.

    Food does not come from money - food comes from nature - food grows because of nature - food exists because of fertile soil, water, air, sunlight.......

    Industrial Society has killed, polluted, poisoned the very things that produce food.

    You can load trillions of dollars into a rocket and send it to the moon - you will not be able to buy a single grain of food over there.

    Money is paper, money is plastic - money is not food.

    Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had warned :

    "only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you realize that you cannot eat money"



    When is this insane society going to understand that it is not just Industrial accidents that destroy ecosystems - all Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

    The Bhopal gas tragedy killed 20,000 people, crippled half a million people for life, killed thousands of animals and birds, killed/ polluted/ poisoned... the air, water and soil.

    Union Carbide was making pesticides/ insecticides in its plant. These carcinogenic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of people all over the world every year - directly or indirectly. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning millions of acres of soil every year, These toxic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of animals and birds every year. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning the underground and above-ground water sources. These toxic insecticides and pesticides have poisoned the entire food chain leading to multiple organ failure, genetic defects, birth defects.

    If the Bhopal Gas Tragedy had not happened the toxic insecticides and pesticides produced by Union Carbide would have still led to destruction of ecosystems, killing of humans, animals, birds, air, water and soil.


    Recently there was an oil spill in the sea in US. The oil is killing marine life.

    Oil kills ecosystems when it spills into the sea.

    Oil kills ecosystems even when it does'nt spill into the sea.

    If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to power ships that move around oceans - catching fish, killing marine life, torturing marine life moment by moment. At any given time there are 50,000 ships moving in the oceans.

    If the oil had not spilled it would have been used to run millions of cars, other vehicles, aeroplanes - whose exhausts would release millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the atmosphere. That is not all - ecosystems are killed to manufacture millions of cars, trucks, ships and aeroplanes that run on oil.

    If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to run millions of industries and factories - all of which kill ecosystems - animals, trees, air, water, land.


    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

    Industries burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.

    Industrial Society has generated billions of tonnes of hazardous solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic
    waste, eWaste, chemical waste, nuclear waste.


    When an Industrial accident happens the focus of entire world shifts to it.

    All environmentalists are outraged.

    As if the environment was in good shape before the accident and will be in good shape after the accident.

    The problem is not Industrial accident -the problem is not any particular Industrial accident - the problem is Industry itself.

    Industrial accidents will continue to happen as long as Industry exists.

    They will only get bigger and bigger.

    Bigger the Industry bigger the Industrial accident.


    Industry kills ecosystems when there is an Industrial accident.

    Industry kills ecosystems even when there is no Industrial accident.

    All Industrial activity is an accident.

    All Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

    All Industrial activity kills animals, trees, air, water, land.

    All Industrial activity leads to environmental crisis, environmental disaster, environmental catastrophe.

    It is impossible to save ecosystems as long as industry exists.




    Technology has destroyed ecosystems.

    But the Techno-Worshippers of this insane Industrial Society want still more technology, new technology, better technology, advanced technology - they claim that technology will save the ecosystems.

    Two thousand years ago the air was clean - it was not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial gases and particulate matter.

    Which technology made the air clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the rivers and oceans were clean - they were not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial waste.

    Which technology made the water clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the oceans were full of fish and other marine species.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste did not exist on this planet.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, chemical waste, eWaste, nuclear waste did not exist on this planet.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?


    Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.

    Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.

    Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.


    sushil_yadav
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  19. cassio

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    Dear sushil yadav

    You speak the truth. I am impressed with the lucidity of the views expressed in your posts.
    Now, what's the plan?
     
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    Awakening the sovereignty of each individual so that they are once again plugged into the cosmos and not a derelict culture, is the way to rectify the moral sensitivity toward natural or Universal Law so that we can experience the highest degree of our humanity while simultaneously regenerating the earth. Why be less than we can be?
     

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