Phony wealth = phony power

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  1. Anissa

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    Totally taking this from another forum. But someone asked about gold and thought this might help. Also https://brillig.com/debt_clock/

    Phony Wealth = Phony POWER
    https://www.321gold.com/editorials/walle ... 12505.html
    ... and that makes the US a very vulnerable country.
    Alex Wallenwein
    November 25, 2005

    America's formidable wealth is, deplorably, based on a lie - or at least it has been, since gold was defanged back in 1971. But, what its enemies don't realize is that this defanging occurred at a time when gold was still sporting its baby teeth.

    After spending three decades in a rather toothless state (except for that brief moment in history when it jumped up to over $800 an ounce from less than $!00 in a few short years), gold's real fangs are only now beginning to show.

    And they're starting to bite, as well.

    They will sink deep into America's soft economic underbelly before long, courtesy of America's sworn enemies - and America's very own financial powers who exposed it to this potentially fatal threat.

    America's foreign enemies are using gold as a weapon. China and the Muslim nations of the world - and now Russia as well - are stocking up on the yellow metal while the US is wasting its time by pushing a phony, shadow-of-its-former-self version of capitalism on the world which it calls "globalization."

    Globalization has gutted Americans' former mattress linings in favor of home-equity lines of credit and a helpless addiction to cheap Chinese goods - built with pirated US technology and know-how, to boot.

    Our dependence on foreign oil, and dependence on foreign consumer goods and capital, have left the US economy a walking corpse and have heaped riches on our enemies. The US economy may be a colossal corpse, bigger than the world has ever seen. It may have been feeding the world's other economies for the last two or three decades and it may still be able to outrun every other - but it's still a walking corpse.

    Why? Because it's nothing but a deadly accident, waiting to happen.

    The sworn enemies of anything resembling freedom are now using real wealth - gold - to kick the clay feet out from under America's tottering financial edifice. Witness Russia's announcement that it will double its official gold reserves.

    How did this happen?

    Easy. They had inside help.

    The powers that crafted, and now make up, the financial architecture of the United States are responsible for removing gold as its foundation - and substituting themselves for it. Themselves - and their system of debt-based, computer keystroke-created windbag-money.

    Their arrogance would not allow them to let something they themselves don't directly and immediately control operate as the foundation of the world's financial structure.

    All kinds of reasons have been trotted out to explain away the gradual removal of gold from the world financial scene as "historically inevitable," but there are only two factors that could function as anything resembling an original cause for this: Human arrogance - and human laziness. The arrogance of the financiers, aided and abetted by the laziness of the common man - us.

    The financiers removed any vestige of gold from financial public life, and Mr. Common Man went right along with it. After all, the "experts" have decided that this is better for all concerned (especially them), so who are we to say it's not? Right?

    It is clear that America can't be conquered through military attack. Not yet - if ever, unless the Chinese are successful in creating their planned racially targeted bio-bomb that will only kill white people and leave those of Asian origin unharmed. (I kid you not. They are actively working on this, however remote the possibility of success may appear at this point).

    That kind of gives you an idea of their mind set - and where things will be going from here on out. And it's not just the Chinese. The Russians under Putin are drawing their own plans against us.

    Russians would like nothing better than to return to their old glory days when they were officially communist and the whole world was quaking in their boots, afraid of what Russia might do next. Just like the Jews who longed to go back into slavery during their Exodus from Egypt because they missed the phony comforts they had while in captivity Today, nobody pays Russia much mind anymore - and many Russians openly resent that.

    What the Muslims' aims are doesn't even warrant any discussion here. If you want to know what the world will look like if Islam gets its way and nobody powerful enough to oppose it is left, just take a look at France right now. A puny minority of adolescent Muslim thugs are terrorizing an entire country - and French officials are wringing their hands and are making excuses.

    These three power blocs (added to the traditional buyers in India that have always been around), are now the driving force behind the price of gold. And the US' financial powers have handed them the key to their city's gates.

    Debt-based money (money that is automatically created by legal fiat every time a bank issues a "credit" through making a loan) guts any system that comes to depend on it, the same way heroin deprives the human body of its own endorphin-manufacturing capacity. By removing gold from our financial system, these "powers" have exposed our economic flank to a fatal attack, and our enemies are now marching toward it.

    So, who are our worst enemies, then? Those besieging the city walls - or those who handed over the key in the still of the night, while nobody was watching?

    And what about those who neglected to watch, hmm? The responsibility for rectifying the sins of their leaders is surely theirs.

    And that means it's your's and mine.

    You, who read this, are the ones who know about gold. Your friends have been laughing you off for the past two and a half decades if you've been around that long, but now gold is going over $500 any second, and your friends are scratching their heads.

    They are still within their comfort zone though, because the current rise in gold's fiat-ratio is happening while all of the other economic numbers still look marginally acceptable and the Dow is rising as well.

    The dollar appears "strong" and long rates have come back down from their recent spike. Oil is behaving somewhat, the Chinese appear to play ball by slowly letting their currency rise against the buck, and the world still invests in America because their interest rates are lower than ours wherever else you go.

    But gold is rising, partially because of the above named three power blocks, and partially because some people are slowly waking up to its potential.

    This is the time when your friends and family will begin to listen.

    Talk to them!

    We are nowhere near any long term 'top' in gold. It's far from 'too late' to get in. Your friends, of course, will still keep one wistful eye on that Nasdaq screen while they try to listen to you. You still won't have their undivided attention - yet. But they are starting to prick up their ears.

    America will not be safe from the onslaught of the foreign gold phalanx until enough people at home start accumulating gold, real wealth - at any price - before their enemies snap it all up. (I say "at any price" because gold's fiat "price" is not by any means the measure of its worth. It's only an indicator of the lack of worth of gold's competitors!)

    In the end, gold's so-called "price" is absolutely irrelevant. The truth is that it's exactly the other way around, as I have been writing for so long now. In the end, gold was, is, and continues to be, the true measure of worth of all things fiat. Like it or not, it is the truth, and this truth, after having been the modern financial world's 'best kept secret' for so long, is now re-emerging in people's consciousness.

    Forget about all that posturing of big financial houses, central banks, college and government economists, and of the beholden news-manufacturing outlets the world over. All of their schmonzes is now coming to the surface.

    Unfortunately, the driving force behind this emerging truth currently emanates from America's enemies.

    Can we afford to let America's enemies help the truth along - instead of us? Can we afford to give our faithless officials the chance to say: "Look, they are attacking us with gold, so gold is subversive and must be shunned by any red-blooded American"?

    No. We cannot. Because gold is in reality no danger to America at all. It's only a danger to the phoney version, the smeared-off and twisted corporate carbon-copy called "Amerika." It's only a danger to the Ivy League crowd that spawned characters like Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Ben Bernanke on the economic side (and double-talking lawyers like the Clintons and Ruth Baader-Meinhof Ginsberg on the legal side) and their philosophical progenitors. It is those who raised us on lies, deceit, and debt-based pseudo money, money in which there is no safety, no real wealth, and no security.

    The problem is that it is them - and others like them - to whom we gave the license to form our picture of the world. We believe it when they say that this country's fortune depends on its financial structure. We believe them when they say that a direct threat on their financial institutions and system is a direct threat on America itself.

    But that ain't so.

    Can you think back to the winter of 1995-96 when the Repugnicans shut down the federal government for a month or so by not agreeing to funding requests that would keep feeding the federal leviathan so they could put political pressure on Dumbocrats - and then whimped out?

    Can you recall one instance back then in which this federal government shutdown actually changed your life for one iota while it lasted?

    Unless you were a federal worker or depended on social security, you couldn't even tell that this supposedly oh so powerful force in our lives was no longer operating - unless you were glued to the TV screen every night. I challenge you to name one single instance in which this shutdown has even touched your life back then. I'll bet you can't find one.

    It's the same thing with our financial system - if enough people have enough gold to live on and circulate it, and if the things we buy every day are priced in gold, we won't even know it if the banks turn belly-up.

    Let the entire financial infrastructure of the West go up in flames, and you won't know it - if people have real gold to use.

    Of course, nobody has any, so it will be a catastrophe of the highest order. But if people had any sense left in them - especially now where they can see that gold is going higher and higher, year after year, and has already thrown off the shackles that formerly tied its price to a sinking dollar/rising euro scenario - they would buy gold.

    If people had any sense in them, they would buy only gold bullion. Physical gold. The stuff that makes your pockets heavy when you carry it. That's what sensible people will buy.

    Not gold stocks. You can't take gold stocks to the store to buy bread and butter.

    Not gold ETF shares. Same problem. They're worthless when it push comes to shove.

    Not gold options to make you a "fast buck." That buck is so fast, you'll never see it when the phony financial structure of the West melts down.

    So, will it melt down, then?

    Due to our own documented neglect, the answer to that lies now in the hands of our enemies from without - handed to them on a silver platter by our enemies within: the banker-bred architects of corporate "Amerika."

    So, if and when the attack comes, are you going to be a patriot to "Amerika" - or to your true country?

    Are you going to support the phony money printers and brokers, and the legislative farce they had their politician friends build around them to protect their rear ends? Will you trust their empty promises? Or will you trust the one thing that has been the bedrock of economic value no matter what any human ever said or did throughout most of recorded history?

    It's a choice you may have to make very, very soon. The city is surrounded, and they are rolling up the catapults. It won't be long before the first volleys hit our defenses, and our defenses have "feet of clay" as we noted.

    On the other hand, a closer look at what props up America's foreign enemies reveals feet of clay that haven't even been hardened in fire yet. They're made of mud. Their supposedly ominous 'strength' relies on even more deception and illusion than that of our own corporate leaders.

    Case in point: The revealing look China's current copper-trading crisis offers to anyone who cares to point his eyes in that direction.

    Here is an article everyone should read on that subject. In short: The Chinese economic miracle is possible only because the Chicoms have erected a wall of secrecy around its inner makings. A revealing commentary on its lack of real substance is presented by the fact that Chinese stocks have been languishing and even dropping, all the while the world marveled at China's "economic miracle."

    I wrote before that China's wonder-economy is based on all-out money printing and bad-loan-forgiving by government decree, just so that normal market forces wouldn't push its new class of incompetent "entrepreneurs" into bankruptcy - which is where they would have to go if they were forced to operate under anything resembling a sane lending environment.

    Now, that the world is putting pressure on China to let its currency "float", the Chicoms engage in some window dressing, declaring all over their news media that they are "cleaning up" their bad loan portfolio by arresting regulatory nepotists and lending-scoundrels of all shades and sizes..

    Nobody knows if that is true or not. Nobody knows what the real bad loan figures are. The flow of information is totally controlled in a communist state. They could be lying their asses off and we would never find out - except for the dismal performance of the Shanghai stock exchange.

    Russia, likewise, is an information-controlled environment. You think our news media stink? Try living over there. Their media remain under a constant threat of a state-initiated shutdown. The only difference in the way Putin is handling his mafia buddies (who now own the Russian media) versus how Breznev handled Isvestia and Pravda (back when the same crowd controlled everything in the name of 'communism'), is the length of the leash they are on (which, by the way, is also the only thing that differentiates our media from Russian's: The length of the leash.)

    Do you believe Russians, Chinese, and Muslims are going to use their newly bought gold to usher in a new era of individual sovereignty, peace, and economic security in their respective spheres of influence? Ha! I got news for you, brother.

    Here is a question everyone should ask themselves: America's enemies are now openly buying gold as a direct attack on US financial institutions. Is your buying of gold therefore a way to play into the hands of our enemies? Not at all. On the other side of the coin, though, not buying physical gold (or continuing to chase after a quick buck through buying phony gold-substitutes) is a dead-sure way of playing into the hands of our domestic enemies.

    By the same token, if we don't buy gold, our enemies' attacks will be lethal to us as well, not just to our phony financial system. So, it is not buying gold that ultimately plays into the hands of America's enemies' - no matter which side of our borders they happen to be on.

    Think about it.

    Got gold?

    Alex Wallenwein
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  2. heuristics

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    Phoney Wealth, phoney power

    Thanks for this, Anissa.

    As I said in the "book club" post - I have "Gold Wars" by Lipps on order...

    While reading Galbraith (and other websites) I realised how gold will quickly become the only negotiable currency (which it was for about 5000 years before the US $$$$$).

    Lipp's book, I believe, will help me understand how/why US$$$ and AUD were taken off the gold standard.

    I have also read an interesting account of how the first oil shock (70s) was brought about by Nixon taking the US$ off the gold standard - OPEC wanted hard/real currency for their oil/ not just pretty green pieces of paper, which without a gold standard, that is all a $1 bill is – pretty coloured paper.

    Also – another account of why Saddam “really” had to be removed was that in Nov 2000 he decided to denominate his oil in Euros, not $US$. That why they wanted to "pin" 9/11 on him, guilty or not. The US could suffer his cheek, bluster and arrogance, but there weren't gunna let no SOB F* with their $$. So yes, the US invaded Iraq for oil, but even more importantly, to preserve the supremacy of their $$$ as the global currency (esp for oil).
    Once Saddam decided to flirt with the Euro – well North Korea and Iran thought that was a damn fine idea – which is why this strange grab-bag of countries were described as the “axis of evil” by Bush. Syria also thought trading in Euros was a fine idea, which is why Bush said Syria was “next” after Iraq. AND AND because Germany and France were the powerhouses of the Euro - that's why they copped a bagging from Bush as “Old Europe” and were dismissed when they objected to the US invading Iraq. Yes, the war was “all about oil”, but the global denomination of that oil was even more important.
    All the countries of the world need oil, but we all buy and sell globally using $USD. If we stopped using $US and instead used the Euro, well financial stability would unravel for the US...
    But the Euro has “issues” to, which is why gold will once again emerge as the only “real” currency.
     
  3. christopher

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    Interesting, Annissa and Heuristics,

    Sue talked a bit about Americas economy prpppped up on credit, and she is right. A 19 yyear old who just got into college can get a USD20,000 credit card. All those new trucks and junk on the road? None of it is paid for!

    And the gold standard tied the $ to something tangible. Right now it's tied to a fantasy.

    Anyone know about tulip mania? In Holland in thye 19th century (me thinks, read about that along time ago), everyone went crazy about tulips. people traded them, sold them, sold futures on them, etc, etc, etc, and one day noone wanted to buy any tulips. The market collapsed, many peple lost everything, and right now paper money is potentially less valuable than a tulip (at least the tulip is pretty).

    Paper money is ony worth the value of the social contract that values it. iIf that contract expires, dies, ends, whatever, its gone, a roll of TP will be worth more than a $100 bill, cuz a $100 bill can only wipe your ass once (maybe twice if you fold it over)....

    I don't actually have any gold, and even though I said I wished that i had gold, the heavy cost of mining, usually subsidized directly and indirectly by taxpayers (US mining laws allow a company to take billions from the soil, wreak havoc, mercury, acid, all kinds of things left over, and the declare "bankruptcy" dissolve company, and leave taxpayers to foot the bill of the clean up....

    So, no real plan to get gold, personally, though I can see that in a time when currency could devalue dramatically, gold would provide a convenient bartering tool...

    Our wedding rings are silver....

    C
     
  4. bjgnome

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    funny money

    Regarding the first post in this discussion, I agree with some of the author's economic analysis, but I could do without the paranoia, ethnic slurs and nationalism.

    Heuristics, yes you are right about Iraq and the Euro. I knew Iran is planning an oil bourse trading in Euros, but didn't know North Korea was in on the action.

    The whole scam of pricing all oil in US$ is a brilliant one. Every country needs oil, therefore every country needs dollars. Therefore, countries are willing to support a lopsided balance of trade with the U.S.

    The whole substituting fiat for gold started long before Nixon, before the creation of the Federal Reserve system in 1913... 400 years ago, or some such, with the gold lenders in merry ol' England. The money lenders of that day, were in the business of storing gold. You deposit your gold, and they give you a piece of paper that says you own such-and-such amount of gold. Funny thing, though, nobody ever knew how much gold was really in the vault at any given time. The money lenders figured out that they could loan out a large percentage of the gold deposited with them, keeping only a fractional reserve on hand, in case somebody wanted to take their money out. Thus, fractional reserve banking was born. The next step was take gold out of the equation entirely. So now, we have fractional reserves of dollars, or whatever other fiat currency you're working with. A bank only needs to keep on hand $100,000 in deposits, but based on those deposits can loan up to $1,000,000 in imaginary money upon which you or I pay real interest. It's magic! :evil: What's really screwed is that there isn't enough money in the system to pay all the debt by a long shot, and of course, the fact that a private company, called a bank, gets to make money out of nothing. :angry3: As I mentioned in another post, I think, the Federal Reserve Board (Itself a group of private banks) has even stopped tracking this creation of money by the banks (M3). :shock:
    Shock In other words, the entire financial system is a fraud from top to bottom.

    One of the things that I appreciate about Bill Mollison is his willingness to at least take the power out of the banks hands, and put it back into communities. I'd love to hear more about how this is being done, if anyone knows more than I.

    Gold and silver definitely make sense as ways to store wealth in these times, but from a permacultural perspective, do they make sense as money? I personally am of the belief that we should probably look to create an economic system based on units of energy, as energy is the ultimate commodity, isn't it? Calories would probably make sense, as they are the most basic form of energy needs. How many calories are in it, either the amount of energy it contains, or the amout of embodied energy it took to produce it. What's the value of a gallon of gas in calories? How many calories does it take to run the military or bomb iraq? Dollars, who knows what they are worth, but calories, those I understand.

    I think maybe Holmgren has been writing along these lines, but again, I'd love to hear from someone else who might have better info than me.

    Jonathan
     
  5. christopher

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    Jonathan,

    Thats a very good point!

    Calorie based accounting, wow! Okay, this is applicable in very broad swaths. Agriculture? Travel? War? Toold, cars, clothes, all measured in calories... mining, drilling, calories! Electricity, calories....

    Um, just an idea, but then something like solar panels, energy creators (need a conversion chart to calories) would be worth a lot of money, right?

    The new gold standard, for when the money goes down the tube, where a Snickers Bar is worth a bunch of tradeables.... "I'll trade you 50 rounds of 9mm bullets for one quart of diesel, 4 snickers bars and a nalgene hiker bottle for water..."

    C
     
  6. ho-hum

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    re Gold

    Anissa,


    Great post, gold is a great topic, one that I have followed seriously since 1989 and the collapse of the Berlin.

    I still dont understand it although I am sorta au fait with the history of money. This site is excellent https://www.gata.org/ to save you looking there is an essay on gold reserves and who has them at https://www.gata.org/Wener.html. This makes your argument [and saves you looking].

    Interestingly, though I did hear that the safest currencies on earth were the AUD, the South African Rand and the Russian ruble because we had the capacity to back our currencies against known and readily exploitable reserves and production.

    China has been buying gold for years, as fast as it can. I also believed that the UKL was about 65% supported by gold but my link above says otherwise.

    Maybe one day I will understand all this but in the meantime I will read on.

    Thanks for the thread

    Floot
     
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    very intersting thanks for posting it anissa

    do you have a link ? I would like to post it on another board but they are very strict on fair use and we cant post full articles or excerts without the link

    personally I dont know about accumulating gold ....... wouldnt it be better to put spare cash into creating your own self sufficiency eg solar power ..... good productive land with necessary infrastructure ........ water source etc ?

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  8. spritegal

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    Its a great topic Anissa

    but I'm getting a bit tired of "off topic" subjects being raised in "permaculture chat". If I want to read about politics I can go to any number of different forums. Is there any possibility of creating a new sub-forum for off-topic subjects? Much as I support free speech, I'm not a member of this discussion forum to talk about politics. I want to talk primarily about permaculture.

    Cast your eye down the last 2 pages..you will see how many topics relate to the forum and its getting less and less every week.

    respectfully


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    Phoney wealth, phoney power

    Now, see I really, really dont agree that these posts or threads are "off topic".
    Permaculture is a wholistic design science. Or that is how I have come to understand it.
    When talking permaculture to some people in my network, they mentally interpret it as "organic gardening". Permaculture is far, far, far more than gardening, or even organic gardening.
    Bill's "Permaculture: A Designer's Manual", the text for his courses and his definitive treatise on this topic, has a whole chapter that quite plainly deals with monetary systems and politics. Politics is threaded throughout the whole book, and through all of his writings.
    I think it was Richard on Maui in a long-ago post who said something along the lines of “””permaculture being hugely political as it challenges the existing "way things are" on every level””” (Richard you might want to jump in here with what you said before – I thought it was brilliant and succinct.)
    I believe these discussions have a vitally important place in the permie's world.
    We are striving for a permanent-culture. And that involves some sort of financial system. Some of us are considering the fragility of our existing financial system, and how as permaculturalists we can adapt/adjust/anticipate a post oil-dependent world.

    I was privileged to hear David Holgrem talk in Syd last month. As one of the co-founders of permaculture his focus seems now almost entirely on structuring for a Peak Oil and beyond world.
    Presumably he is respected as a visionary in establishing permaculture. I respect him as such, and know thousands of permies around the world also hold his opinions in extremely high regard.
    And so, here he is – a visionary – spending a considerable amount of his time alerting us to the coming agricultural/Peak Oil/ financial crisis.

    I think if these sort of topics are important to Bill Mollison and David Holmgren, and a large cohort of other leading permaculture visionaries, then they most certainly have a place on this board.
    After all, if these issues are not discussed here – where then?
    I submit this with the usual humble, “IMO-only” disclaimer.
     
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    Well that's all very interesting heuristic

    However, I'd like to see this sort of discussion take place on a subforum, rather than in "permaculture chat". We all love good music recommendations, book reviews, and politicking, when we actually have the time to read/write/respond. But these subjects, although fascinating, don't directly impact on a member's red mite infestation problem or how to get rid of blackberries.

    See my point? I'm all for open discussion...if its categorised. Not all of us can afford a lot of time to thread sift.


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    I found the writers terms rather interesting. So many ENEMIES all out to kill America through financial means...?

    The man sounds a little freaky and paranoid to me..


    He's going to die from stress related problems, hiding in his cupboard with his pockets full of gold, screaming "They're coming to kill me"..
     
  12. christopher

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    Aussiespritegal,

    I see what you are saying, and I understand it, too. If you only have interest in veggies, trees, animals and the farming aspects of permaculture, pay attention to those threads. "Permaculture", tho, is much broader than just agriculture.

    People with experience with red mites write about that, and people with experience with blackberries write about that. The title of the thread ususally gives a pretty good indication of where the thread is going, especialy "Fluff and Stuff", which, truthefully, I find myself drawn to more and more.

    I started the book thread adressing what books had led people to be where they are, doing what they do. It was an after thought to another post , "Pivotal Moments", by Widgeenut, because much of what I am doing was inspired by books, and I wanted to know what books contriibuted to where people are and what they are doing.

    It has become a more general thread, but it is a dynamic growing communication, like so many threads here, and it may have morphed into general reading, because that is where people pushed it. As the opener of that thread, that's fine with me. Its all fascinating...

    My interests and reasons for being where I am, doing what I am doing are very broad, and while I initially was mostly asking for books that tied to farming, hearing about good fiction, memoirs, and, above all, because to me where we are is a product of history, books about history has been very exciting.

    I just read Collapes, by Jarred Daimand, and it is so pertinient to many of the discussione here, since if we remove our blinders it appears we are headed towards a colapse of our own. Many of the mistakes we as a global society, on regional and national levels are making, have been made in the past, and the courses of events that have happened may have parallels to where we are now.

    Theres a chapter in there about Tikopia, an island with extremely high population density that has been continuously inhabited for thousands of years. They have an amazingly complex agrforestry system on a finite scale, I think of "permaculture" in a pietri dish, and avoided mistakes of other island people, like Easter Island, for example, by getting rid of their pigs, etc, and to me, that is noteworthy, and valuable to share (so I shared it)...

    I agree with Heuristics and what he is saying, that permaculture encompasses many other things besides strictly agriculture, and I agree with Richard, permaculture can be very political. I am grateful to Anissa for opening this thread, even as I also would like to hear more about veggie and fruits and agroforestry and chooks and ponds and aquaponics :wav: , too.

    Also, the guy who wrote the original article did sound a bit like a right wing paranoid froot loop/wing nut... but the points raised were worth looking at.

    However, I would buy bullets and axes before I would buy gold :lol: .

    Best,

    C
     

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