Why permaculture?

[Pakanohida]

As a chinese I should say that you are right. mainly there are no sustainable agriculture as I know, we probably have some oganic farm but very few.

I don't know why there is a arguement on plough agticulture. I don't think it relate much to sustainable agriculture, it's just a way of planting...

We have so much lost knowledge it is staggering. For example, in the 1950's Schauberger made a "Golden Plough" and he suddenly became visited by the Salzburg treasury department.

The treasury rep walked up to Schauberger after arriving in an elegant car and asked, "There has been a rumor that the Salzburg town corporation has carried out successful tests with your ploughs, and naturally, this is of interest But now I must ask you face to face -what is it worth to me that I support you?"

Schauberger said, "I do not understand what you mean, you are from the treasury, you have nothing to do with support, I paid my fees for the test and everything is complete."

The Treasury Director went on," I must make myself clear. The fact is I have an agreement with the nitrogen industry whereby if I can stimulate the farmers to use more nitrogen than usual I receive a royalty for each sack being sold. If now the farmers were to switch to your copper plough the demand would permanently diminish, and thus I need royalties from your ploughs as compensation. Can't we come to an understanding as old friends and make a deal for both of us?"

Schauberger replied furiously, " I have only one thing to say to you - you are a greedy rascal - a thing I should of understood all at once - when a represenative of the people you drive around in a luxury car."

Pages 103 through 104, Living Water - Schauberger and the secrets of natural energy. By Alexandresson.


I don't plough, ever. It destroys too much of the soil, and the soil is needed more then people realize for healthy food, however if I had to, I would do it on contour, using the proper plough (plow).

I am even considering switching to a wooden trowel for planting transplants.

[andrew curr]

so justin you are claiming the chinese dont compost their biodegradable waste
most people in the west are in awe of China feeding itself and the rest of the world
i would love to know how its done

[pebble]

I think there is still traditional agriculture in parts of China that has been sustainable for thousands of years.

http://www.terraquaculture.net/about.html

http://we.intersect.org.nz/group/nat...lture-in-china

[andrew curr]

anyone ever try google earth China?

[Ludi]

Here's an example of Chinese land management past and present: http://sites.asiasociety.org/chinagr...loess-plateau/